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Found some info as to why the Iranian respose was so weak:

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TLDR: The president was a gullible fool who thought the west could be trusted. He ended up torpedoing his countries reputation and now has Iranian citizens protesting at his front door when this truth came to light. Some of the posts perfectly show my thoughts.

I kind of expected the guy to be a bit of a dumbass with some of his statements after winning, didn't expect him to be this much of a jackass, though.

Shit sucks, oh well. I'll stop getting riled up about this and just accept things as they are, so apologies to everybody again.
 

pmc

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On the other hand, you had the case of the Houthis, who resisted 5 years of total war and were humiliating the Saudis with 1980s Tochkas from the DPR Yemen days penetrating Patriot systems and taking out bases with 50+ Saudi soldiers.

It was thought that since the Houthis were humiliating Saudi Arabia, usually considered a strong country, and if Iran was behind the Houthis, what could Iran do?

Turns out, not much. But how would anyone have known that Iran was weaker than Yemen of all countries?
you cannot ignore Oman. Saudi are very generous and polite with other Muslim countries.
 

BlackWindMnt

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If ALLURE means essentially SEX, DRUGS, DEBAUCHERY then I would say a BIG NO F..NG THANK YOU.

Lewd acts and activities are what most elites are really after. Man, just look what's happening with Diddy's case and the possibility of implicating big celebrities in the U.S. doing some freaky deaky shit with minors and other females. It's pretty much a similar scenario with the Epstein dude that supposedly committed suicide while inside a prison cell.

Those are the activities that people or elite in the west call and been clamoring for in China as FREEDOM and Democracy, everything else are secondary concerns. Let's be real.
That's exactly what I meant with allure...
But also the appeal of the brands it hasn't fully reached the global South elites yet...

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TLDR: The president was a gullible fool who thought the west could be trusted. He ended up torpedoing his countries reputation and now has Iranian citizens protesting at his front door when this truth came to light. Some of the posts perfectly show my thoughts.
Every liberal Iranian government needs to relearn it's lessons. Sanctions, nuclear deal, instex(euro payment network?), now this shit.

You would think after those Minsk deal revelations from merkel, Hollande etc. They would be more cautious tho when dealing with the west...
 

Eventine

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It must be organic movements initiated by their own population that has wide spread grassroot support, anything set up by foreign agents is doomed to failure, US had demonstrated plenty of examples. Iran and Yemen's revolutions are good example of when it worked
The US has had a few failures - particularly the various color revolutions - but also plenty of successes. I have a hard time believing that people are talking about US failures to orchestrate "organic movements" in a thread where we're literally witnessing the power of US elite capture on the Global South.

Make no mistake, the US is immensely successful at this game. That's why so many more countries worship the US than worship China, Russia, India, or any other competing power. Elites in Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Qatar, and most of the Arab world would rather send their children to Harvard and work in Goldman Sachs, than send their children to Qinghua and work in Huawei. This is despite the US continuously bombing their "fellow Muslims" for most of the last two decades.

That sort of power is deep rooted and tends to be underestimated. When people ask, "why is it that nobody in the Global South seems to do what is in their own best interest but just let the US win!?" They should remember that the cultural conditioning was established over the course of decades, if not centuries.

If there's one thing Western elites are extremely proficient in, it is in understanding the dynamics of multi-spectrum power and how to wield it. The writer in New York Times, the politician in Congress, the professor at Harvard, the industrialist in Lockheed Martin, the banker in Wall Street, the technologist in Open AI, the admiral of the Seventh Fleet, the intelligence agent in the Pentagon, even your average moderator on Reddit, they all work in coordination to advance the same common cause.

It's not just financial power; it's not just industrial power; it's not just cultural power; it's not just military power; it's not just espionage power; it's everything, all at once. And that's what the rest of the world, by comparison, are so bad at.
 

jiajia99

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That's exactly what I meant with allure...
But also the appeal of the brands it hasn't fully reached the global South elites yet...


Every liberal Iranian government needs to relearn it's lessons. Sanctions, nuclear deal, instex(euro payment network?), now this shit.

You would think after those Minsk deal revelations from merkel, Hollande etc. They would be more cautious tho when dealing with the west...
I reckon sooner or later, this Iranian leader maybe forcefully removed so that a real hard line can finally come in. Once the BRICS summit is done, I reckon this leaders use by date will eventually come so that a new leadership can truly come in if this guy is truly an Israel plant.

Funny enough this could be a smart move by the supreme leader to buy the nation some time for the BRICS summit to be done and for the weapons procurement from Russia could be completed to the best of their ability and should this leader be a traitor of some sort, have a ready scapegoat so that the nation can rally behind a hardliner when the nation is ready to fight while discrediting any opposition within the nation as traitors.
 

enroger

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That's exactly what I meant with allure...
But also the appeal of the brands it hasn't fully reached the global South elites yet...


Every liberal Iranian government needs to relearn it's lessons. Sanctions, nuclear deal, instex(euro payment network?), now this shit.

You would think after those Minsk deal revelations from merkel, Hollande etc. They would be more cautious tho when dealing with the west...

I just remembered the so called "G2" moment. US offers China a unique opportunity, instead of confrontation and competition US and China can rule the world together, the only price is for China to give up their friends in the global south so that both countries can happily exploit the less fortunate countries in the world ever after....

Sweet deal right? I know some people here would leap at that chance and sign it right away. Guess what's gonna happen once China held up their end of the bargain?

Not just the Iranian president but a large portion of the Iranian population are so delusional about the west it is hard to watch. Once I debated with an Iranian friend and shear amount of western propaganda they absorbed is friggin incredible
 

enroger

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The US has had a few failures - particularly the various color revolutions - but also plenty of successes. I have a hard time believing that people are talking about US failures to orchestrate "organic movements" in a thread where we're literally witnessing the power of US elite capture on the Global South.

Make no mistake, the US is immensely successful at this game. That's why so many more countries worship the US than worship China, Russia, India, or any other competing power. Elites in Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Qatar, and most of the Arab world would rather send their children to Harvard and work in Goldman Sachs, than send their children to Qinghua and work in Huawei. This is despite the US continuously bombing their "fellow Muslims" for most of the last two decades.

That sort of power is deep rooted and tends to be underestimated. When people ask, "why is it that nobody in the Global South seems to do what is in their own best interest but just let the US win!?" They should remember that the cultural conditioning was established over the course of decades, if not centuries.

If there's one thing Western elites are extremely proficient in, it is in understanding the dynamics of multi-spectrum power and how to wield it. The writer in New York Times, the politician in Congress, the professor at Harvard, the industrialist in Lockheed Martin, the banker in Wall Street, the technologist in Open AI, the admiral of the Seventh Fleet, the intelligence agent in the Pentagon, even your average moderator on Reddit, they all work in coordination to advance the same common cause.

It's not just financial power; it's not just industrial power; it's not just cultural power; it's not just military power; it's not just espionage power; it's everything, all at once. And that's what the rest of the world, by comparison, are so bad at.

All the US successes has been in the distant past, all of their recent attempts has been one disaster after another. Getting rusty at the game eh?

You're attributing what amounts to lucky position in the post war era and first mover advantage to some mythical magic abilities, it is just wealth and power, it is that simple. The US has the most wealth and power so people worshiped them, China has only started accumulating wealth and power relatively late, thats all.

Industrial power? China is triple of US. Technological power? China is near parity or even ahead in some area. Financial power? 120% GDP of debt and USD is slowly being ditched due to the untrustworthiness of US government.

But sure, when Israel pull off some crafty assassinations all of a sudden people are acting like US is all powerful again
 

Index

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The US has had a few failures - particularly the various color revolutions - but also plenty of successes. I have a hard time believing that people are talking about US failures to orchestrate "organic movements" in a thread where we're literally witnessing the power of US elite capture on the Global South.

Make no mistake, the US is immensely successful at this game. That's why so many more countries worship the US than worship China, Russia, India, or any other competing power. Elites in Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Qatar, and most of the Arab world would rather send their children to Harvard and work in Goldman Sachs, than send their children to Qinghua and work in Huawei. This is despite the US continuously bombing their "fellow Muslims" for most of the last two decades.
Because you actually have to work in Huawei.
That sort of power is deep rooted and tends to be underestimated. When people ask, "why is it that nobody in the Global South seems to do what is in their own best interest but just let the US win!?" They should remember that the cultural conditioning was established over the course of decades, if not centuries.

If there's one thing Western elites are extremely proficient in, it is in understanding the dynamics of multi-spectrum power and how to wield it. The writer in New York Times, the politician in Congress, the professor at Harvard, the industrialist in Lockheed Martin, the banker in Wall Street, the technologist in Open AI, the admiral of the Seventh Fleet, the intelligence agent in the Pentagon, even your average moderator on Reddit, they all work in coordination to advance the same common cause.
You're basically talking about a full spectrum dictatorship, and that's something China can't just embrace because it's politically utterly incompatible. The civil war was fought for that reason.
It's not just financial power; it's not just industrial power; it's not just cultural power; it's not just military power; it's not just espionage power; it's everything, all at once. And that's what the rest of the world, by comparison, are so bad at.
We do not have the same political system as Washington, they will naturally capture the wealthy elite while we will naturally capture the rest.

US has more diplomatic power the more corrupt a country is. But conversely this also makes both US and the country who are feeding off eachothers' corruption more useless. US fell behind China in economy, technology, industry, espionage and even military for this reason.

China will never be more popular with corrupt elites than US will be. But at some point, the overmatch becomes so severe that China just needs to send gunboats to force US to give up any position China needs.

Cultural power and elite capture is great, but if you run into a situation like Ukraine where your side simply can't produce enough to stop the other side because you just have worse tech and economy due to constant corruption, that's all useless.
 

Eventine

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All the US successes has been in the distant past, all of their recent attempts has been one disaster after another. Getting rusty at the game eh?

You're attributing what amounts to lucky position in the post war era and first mover advantage to some mythical magic abilities, it is just wealth and power, it is that simple. The US has the most wealth and power so people worshiped them, China has only started accumulating wealth and power relatively late, thats all.

Industrial power? China is triple of US. Technological power? China is near parity or even ahead in some area. Financial power? 120% GDP of debt and USD is slowly being ditched due to the untrustworthiness of US government.

But sure, when Israel pull off some crafty assassinations all of a sudden people are acting like US is all powerful again
You're under selling the attractiveness of the system the US operates.

Put it this way. If you're like the Nazis during World War 2, even if you're richer and more powerful than all the countries around you, people will still fight you to the death, because your ideology is an obvious, existential threat. What the Nazis did in Eastern Europe sealed their fate - once the Slavs realized they were fighting against extermination and/or enslavement, they fought like cornered animals and threw themselves against the Nazi war machine until it broke.

By contrast to the Nazis, the US strategy today is the culmination of the British imperial promise. The goal is still hegemony, but they have much better PR, and are willing to share just enough power and wealth to get people hooked, divided, and played off against one another. The US could not have won the Cold War with their blatant white supremacism, so they changed it to one of "multi-culturalism." They could not convince poor countries into buying into their plutocratic capitalism, so they welcomed students from all over the world to learn at their universities, where their professors impressed upon them the "objective truth" of Western systems.

They then followed that up by empowering and enriching the elites that were willing to collaborate, while helping them, through global control of media & social media, to gain and maintain power in their respective countries. Thus, an "empire of the willing" was built.

It's not just about power. It's about how you use it.
 

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Shigeru Ishiba on Japan’s New Security Era: The Future of Japan’s Foreign Policy​

Shigeru Ishiba, the next prime minister of Japan, exclusively shared his views recently on the future of Japan’s foreign policy in response to a request from Hudson Institute’s Japan Chair. The following is an unofficial translation of his response.

Strengthening the Japan-US Alliance as Equal to the US-UK Alliance

Japan has overcome security challenges one by one for nearly 80 years since the end of World War II. As a culmination of postwar politics, the Ishiba administration aims to contribute to regional security by strengthening the Japan-US alliance as an “equal nation” on par with the US-UK alliance. By building a framework to comprehensively promote security policy, Japan should secure its independence and peace, and proactively and positively contribute to a stable international environment.
The US-Japan Security Treaty is the backbone of Japan’s postwar political history, a bilateral alliance that must evolve with the times. The Armitage-Nye Report once proposed that the “special relationship” between the US and the UK be the model for the US-Japan alliance, and that the US and Japan become “equal partners.” Now, this is possible, and we can defend the liberal order jointly, shoulder-to-shoulder with the US. The conditions are ripe to revise the Japan-US Security Treaty into a treaty between “ordinary countries.”
The current Japan-US security treaty is structured so that the US is obligated to “defend” Japan, and Japan is obligated to “provide bases” to the US. The time is ripe to change this “asymmetrical bilateral treaty.” It is possible that the Japan-US Security Treaty and Status of Forces Agreement could be revised to allow the Self-Defense Forces to be stationed in Guam to strengthen the deterrence capabilities of Japan and the US. If this happens, a status agreement for the “SDF in Guam” could be made the same as that for US forces in Japan. Furthermore, expanding the scope of joint management of US bases in Japan would also reduce the burden on US forces in Japan.
It is my mission to raise the Japan-US alliance to the level of the US-UK alliance. To achieve this, Japan must have its own military strategy and become independent in terms of security until it is willing to share its own strategy and tactics on equal terms with the US. As a conservative politician, Shigeru Ishiba will build a “security system that can protect its own nation by itself” and actively contribute to the peace and stability of the Indo-Pacific nations based on the Japan-US alliance.
I dunno how those dead WWII soldiers feel about the Japs stationed on Guam again :rolleyes:

I wouldn’t call them nationalists. If they are, they would have called for the ouster of American troops in Japan. They are excellent lapdogs.
Pretty high up on the nationalist scale for Japanese PMs.
 
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