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sheogorath said:

Isn't that part of the point behind things like the BRICS and BRI?. A win-win relationship for all the involved in multiple areas, not depedent on the anglos racial and geopolitical games and interests?.

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That's your interpretation. BRICS is a talking shop and BRI is an economic union in which China is the financier. No leadership talk at all.

vincent said:

That's your interpretation. BRICS is a talking shop and BRI is an economic union in which China is the financier. No leadership talk at all.

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China as financier and planner basically assumes the leadership role. Doesn't China set the terms and conditions of what gets financed, how and the requirements to be met by the "target"?.

sheogorath said:

Thats part of the issue as a big chunk of the arab leadership has been compromised over years of coups, bribes and so on, so it is why I make an argument for a third party to step up. Arab populations have rised against them, just to be gunned down by the western backed elites, so this is why I ask how you break the cycle without external support?

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It must be organic movements initiated by their own population that has wide spread grassroot support, anything set up by foreign agents is doomed to failure, US had demonstrated plenty of examples. Iran and Yemen's revolutions are good example of when it worked

I’m noticing a lot of anti China voices being promoted to me on twitter. I suppose this is where the billion dollar budget of anti China propaganda is going.

sheogorath said:

China as financier and planner basically assumes the leadership role. Doesn't China set the terms and conditions of what gets financed, how and the requirements to be met by the "target"?.

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BRI basically serves Chinese interests in building transportation corridors. China finds a good location, goes to country, offers X deal, and then depends on the country if they want to accept it or not.

where is the leadership in that? It's a simple transaction which comes under the BRI umbrella and makes some good PR but at the end of the day, transaction is transaction.

enroger said:

It must be organic movements initiated by their own population that has wide spread grassroot support, anything set up by foreign agents is doomed to failure, US had demonstrated plenty of examples. Iran and Yemen's revolutions are good example of when it worked

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Even organic movements need external support at some point, though. A peasant's shoddy AK's can only get you so far, ask Ho Chi Mihn.

Overbom said:

BRI basically serves Chinese interests in building transportation corridors. China finds a good location, goes to country, offers X deal, and then depends on the country if they want to accept it or not.

where is the leadership in that? It's a simple transaction which comes under the BRI umbrella and makes some good PR but at the end of the day, transaction is transaction.

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And what's the contigency plan if the leadership gets couped and the transportation corridor gets sold off to, lets say, Blackrock?. Did China get its Motor Sich money back?.

See where I am trying to get at?. Sorry if I havent made my point clear in the back and forth.

sheogorath said:

Thats why I argue that non-interventionism can only get you so far and long term is counter productive to Chinese interests regardless of ones perceptions of the region or the global south as a whole.


Japan has been a Western vassal since day one after the lost the war. Their entire country is set up like that, so I don't think it is a fair inclusion from my personal opinion.


Thats one of the West biggest successes, yes. The late soviet leadership were also big on non-interventionism.


Fair enough.

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Forcefully helping someone who does not want help and has already refused help is very dangerous.

in China, a woman tried to commit suicide by jumping into the river. A police officer tried to save her. She jumped back in. The police officer tried to pull her to safety again by swimming after her. She struggled around and in the struggle, resulted in the police officer's death.

BlackWindMnt said:

Yeah this is a scourge in the global south, they rather push majority of their population to subsistence living if it means they can shop in Paris, London and New York. The elite capture is real.

Moscow and Shanghai just doesn't have that allure yet for the global elites.

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If ALLURE means essentially SEX, DRUGS, DEBAUCHERY then I would say a BIG NO F..NG THANK YOU.

Lewd acts and activities are what most elites are really after. Man, just look what's happening with Diddy's case and the possibility of implicating big celebrities in the U.S. doing some freaky deaky shit with minors and other females. It's pretty much a similar scenario with the Epstein dude that supposedly committed suicide while inside a prison cell.

Those are the activities that people or elite in the west call and been clamoring for in China as FREEDOM and Democracy, everything else are secondary concerns. Let's be real.

Found some info as to why the Iranian respose was so weak:



TLDR: The president was a gullible fool who thought the west could be trusted. He ended up torpedoing his countries reputation and now has Iranian citizens protesting at his front door when this truth came to light. Some of the posts perfectly show my thoughts.