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Chevalier

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manqiangrexue

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What do you think about Chinese statements of restricting drone sales to Russia?
This is what I think about it:
If China is willing to let its Russian allies suffer a little in order to keep more business with the west, why are you surprised that other countries think the same? Iran can criticise the Russians in public to get sanctions relief from the west and sell them weapons in secret to get russian money. Sounds like a win win to me
I have no faith that Iran is as sophisticated as China and I have no trust in Iran's new president. And also, China never characterized Russia's actions as aggression in front of the UN.

Two things I can accept that would mean I jumped the gun in criticism:
1. Actions speak louder than words. If this is later seen as a trick in step with Russia, and it yielded some fruit, I would be impressed.
2. So far, we are listening to Western media's rendition of what was said, and not in its entirety. Being that Western media is known for lying whenever their mouths open not to eat, there is room for much to be misunderstood.
You have to think about this from the interests of the Iranian people. Iran doesn't want to sacrifice itself just to kill Israel. Iran has proxies that threaten Israel in order to protect itself from an American attack. Hezbollah is doing exactly what Iran requires from it: wasting western resources and attention far away in Lebanon, rather than harming Iran directly. If there is a ground invasion, Israel might occupy south Lebanon as they've done before, again keeping them busy elsewhere. Meanwhile Iran is quietly increasing the amount of enriched uranium it has, launching more satellites than the EU and integrating into regional trade with the Arabs and Russians and nobody is paying attention. Aggressive rhetoric and some expensive missile strikes into Israel would be stupid
Right now, Iran would be lucky to be able to sacrifice itself to kill Israel. The bank account seems insufficient for the purchase at this point.
Muslim countries combined have been more powerful than Israel in all of its history. But Israel with American backing is a different story. China is the only power that can free the world of American domination
Iran would be wise to recognize that. So far, from their attitude towards China, I doubt they do.
 

supersnoop

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So rotten,fucking true-Toronto cannot even do the simplest construction without endless,costly delays and shitpoor work.Chengdu,Guangzhou,Suzhou etc-modern,safe,efficient I can go on-Don't get me started on our Toronto Pearson Airport-what an embarrassment of concrete slabs,very bad traffic control -truly third world.

The funny thing is, you read reddit or any site with comments and they are filled with "Chineseum", "China-quality", etc. type comments whenever there is some construction incident, or even worse, some FLG BS, truly brainwashed.

Case in point
https://www.reddit.com/r/TTC/comments/1d4ifid
What does a mod say about it?
Calls them "bizzare Pro-China posts", rolls out the same stupid tropes about "slave labour", "genocide" etc. In fact even mentions "gearing up to go to war with Taiwan"
If a country can build out dozens of subways all over the country, commit genocide and get ready to go to war, then they are pretty damn efficient...

EDIT: Possibly China is the worst managed country? I mean, they have access to unlimited slave labour and somehow the cost of labour is increasing!
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Index

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Right now, Iran would be lucky to be able to sacrifice itself to kill Israel. The bank account seems insufficient for the purchase at this point.
So why exactly would you think that?

In the ongoing conflict, how many Iranians have been defeated by Israel and her proxies compared to vice versa? How many internal refugees are in Iran due to Israeli actions, compared to the opposite? Whose economy is hurting more?

If it was any other 2 nations. Let say Russia and Ukraine. Would you be satisfied with Russian performance if they had fought for 1.5 years, achieved the casualty of ~30 000 RDK to ~20 000 RU Army, killed maybe a dozen AFU agents total, killed a few RDK senior staff, 20 000 Donbass civilians and 0 Ukraine civilians? Oh and the major cities bordering Ukraine had to be evacuated due to RDK rocket attacks. If you think anything in this analogy is factually wrong, feel free to adjust it, I guarantee it won't make Russia look much better.

I would say good on you if you still believe in Russian invincibility after a performance like that. I'm not of equally strong faith.

Israel needs US to full scale invade explicitly for the reason that someone's card is furiously declining right now. And it isn't Iran's.
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
So why exactly would you think that?

In the ongoing conflict, how many Iranians have been defeated by Israel and her proxies compared to vice versa? How many internal refugees are in Iran due to Israeli actions, compared to the opposite? Whose economy is hurting more?

If it was any other 2 nations. Let say Russia and Ukraine. Would you be satisfied with Russian performance if they had fought for 1.5 years, achieved the casualty of ~30 000 RDK to ~20 000 RU Army, killed maybe a dozen AFU agents total, killed a few RDK senior staff, 20 000 Donbass civilians and 0 Ukraine civilians? Oh and the major cities bordering Ukraine had to be evacuated due to RDK rocket attacks. If you think anything in this analogy is factually wrong, feel free to adjust it, I guarantee it won't make Russia look much better.

I would say good on you if you still believe in Russian invincibility after a performance like that. I'm not of equally strong faith.

Israel needs US to full scale invade explicitly for the reason that someone's card is furiously declining right now. And it isn't Iran's.
I think that because:

1. Israel commonly assassinates Iranians both inside and outside of Iran. This is not true between Russia and Ukraine.
2. Iran does not have active nuclear weapons while Israel does. This is the opposite for Russia and Ukraine.
3. The very fact that Iran doesn't dare fight Israel despite all its provovations while Russia has invaded Ukraine for much less and captured huge chunks of it, never to be returned, shows a different power dynamic.
4. Russia's history in war is that it starts off sluggish then becomes indomitable while Iran has no such history.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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I find it extremely nauseating and incredulous to hear this "CASOC" discussion "strategy" for CHINA-PACIFIC that was held recently in the U.S. involving military representatives from Japan, Germany, and of course, the master, the U.S.

The topic dujour is of course about the Russian invasion of Ukraine; its present relationship of "no limits" friendship with China; the ongoing material support of the Democratic Republic of Korea (DPRK) to the Russian war. What I find incredible and unappealing when it comes to these talks, is that as of late, as an avid follower or consumer of contemporary geopolitics, military, and geoeconomics their discussion would leave one more stupid and out right retarded. Unless the main target audience of this sort of talks guise as "strategy session" are for idiots and sheeps.

I mean, you have a Japanese JDF Col. complaining against China's military exercise and partnership with Russia around Japan's VICINITY when in reality it's held on international waters. But at the very same time, Japan and other western NATO like countries have no problem trying to assert themselves within or close to China's vicinity.

What's even the point of having these sort of discussions when all of the audience both within and without already know the conclusion: which is China must stop its relationship with Russia, give up Taiwan and stop improving it's military. Essentially means just f..ng surrender. Just because Japan is such a pussified country it does not mean it has any standing to tower and make demands over China like she's been the victim and been victimized by Chinese wanton aggression.

 

Index

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I think that because:

1. Israel commonly assassinates Iranians both inside and outside of Iran. This is not true between Russia and Ukraine.
And Iran commonly fires on Israeli targets in a daily basis.

To invoke my analogy again, if Ukraine was on a daily basis through RDK hitting Russian settlements and killing Russian soldiers, would you be OK with Russia just "commonly" (i.e. 1 time a year?) assassinates Ukrainians inside and outside Ukraine?
2. Iran does not have active nuclear weapons while Israel does. This is the opposite for Russia and Ukraine.
3. The very fact that Iran doesn't dare fight Israel despite all its provovations while Russia has invaded Ukraine for much less and captured huge chunks of it, never to be returned, shows a different power dynamic.
That wasn't what I asked you, I just used the example of Ukraine = Iran and Russia = Israel as 2 random countries. My point is that a country that can't beat proxy armies and has only carried out some dubious terror attacks on the core territory of their enemy is simply in an awful position when their enemy is hitting their cities, creating refugees and killing 10 000s of soldiers.
4. Russia's history in war is that it starts off sluggish then becomes indomitable while Iran has no such history.
You mean Israel doesn't have such history? Or maybe that Israel does? Because that was the whole analogy. Anyways I can give you that point, but I don't think the idea that Israel starts off sluggish and then become indomitable compensates enough for the fact they have essentially inflicted maybe a dozen casualties on IRGC (let alone Iran regular military and civilians), while they've lost 10 000s and are evacuating cities.

I used this analogy to show you that if not for people reading very propagandized sources, how absurd the assertion is when applied to any other conflict.

If you want an example closer to home: let me ask you, would you be satisfied with a crackdown on Taiwan where we lose 10 000 PLA for 30 000 partisans on Matsu and Kinmen, bomb the shit out of these 2 areas continously but leave the Formosa island untouched, blow up a few pagers in Kinmen, and plant a few bombs on the main island to kill some partisan liasons? Not even daring to use the PLAAF to directly airstrike Formosa. Not satisfied right? That's why Israel is also not satisfied and want US bailout at any cost.
 
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