Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 is Missing

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SteelBird said:
I read local news today that Cambodia sends two boats and four Z9 helicopters to help searching for the missing plane in the region between Cambodia and Vietnam border. Two things keeps me wondered; First, Cambodia previously announced that it would not participate in the searching for the plane because the plane went missing outside its territory and airspace. Then, Haven't the searching shifted to Indian ocean? Why Cambodia starts searching in the gulf to Thailand now? I am a Cambodian but I don't understand what my government is doing now.
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After hearing so many theories, speculations, conspiracies, here is another one. Could it be that, China has reasons to believe the airplane could still have crashed in the South China Sea / Gulf of Thailand, and because of this, China has requested help from Cambodia to continue with SAR there, with all costs borne by China.
 
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Yeah, it's counterintuitive, but there being no firm leads as to its final destination, it is prudent to be a little more thorough with the search. You never know what it may turn up. Perhaps, some parts that fell off the jet. Hell ya, it's unlikely, but the way the story has changed, you never know if they are are going to say the jet made a turn back again to South China Sea. You can be sure if the jet belonged other airlines and the passengers mainly Americans or Russians, Cambodia would still do the same task.
 
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They said the aircraft gave off a number of pings to the satellites after disappearing, and they have calculated the distance of the aircraft's last ping. Couldn't they do the same for all the pings that they've received and potentially see a path (or pattern) of some sort that leads from Malaysia to those two arcs that they gave as final position?
 
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I've a nice conspiracy theory. The engine pings were disabled before take off and replacements were produced by a ship in the Indian Ocean with the exact timing to represent a flight in another direction than that actually taken. This might explain the appearance of the aircraft above the Maldives although that would mean the aircraft had by then lost its way and would be unable to find a runway to land on.
It's just something I would enjoy reading - in these ghastly circumstances - but do not believe myself.
 
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T-U-P said:
They said the aircraft gave off a number of pings to the satellites after disappearing, and they have calculated the distance of the aircraft's last ping. Couldn't they do the same for all the pings that they've received and potentially see a path (or pattern) of some sort that leads from Malaysia to those two arcs that they gave as final position?
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Apparently, the analysis is already based on the few number of pings that was received after the last known radar detection. It's odd that the aircraft would follow along an arc that is part of the circle with its center point coinciding with the satellite. The aircraft could have just as well followed roughly along the circle's radius or its any number of chords. This is considering the pilot wouldn't have known the location of the satellite and there's no reason why he would want to follow a circle around the satellite.
 
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Quickie said:
Apparently, the analysis is already based on the pings that was received after the last known radar detection. Its odd that the aircraft would follow along an arc that is part of the circle with its center point coinciding with the satellite. The aircraft could have just as well followed roughly along the circle's radius or its any number of chords. This is considering the pilot wouldn't have known the location of the satellite and there's no reason why he would want to follow a circle around the satellite.
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I understand that just the timing of the pings were useful to determine only the distance of the aircraft to the satellite. The circle segments are those parts of the full circle about the nadir of the satellite that the aircraft could reach in the time available. The idea is that the aircraft was at maybe 40k ft altitude less then half an hour before it stopped flying and presumably ended on the bottom of the ocean. But it might have been seconds before the end with the engines stopped by fuel starvation, if indeed the pings continue until reaching ground level and don't already stop when the fires in the engines die.
 
AssassinsMace

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It's interesting how Thailand is being criticized for taking ten days to release their information. What's more interesting is we haven't heard from a country that should be the second after Malaysia on being forthcoming. Interesting how we haven't heard from Vietnam. The flight was going to fly over Vietnam and the last Malaysia Air Traffic Control heard from the from the aircraft was it was leaving Malaysian ATC and entering Vietnamese ATC.
 
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delft said:
I understand that just the timing of the pings were useful to determine only the distance of the aircraft to the satellite. The circle segments are those parts of the full circle about the nadir of the satellite that the aircraft could reach in the time available. The idea is that the aircraft was at maybe 40k ft altitude less then half an hour before it stopped flying and presumably ended on the bottom of the ocean. But it might have been seconds before the end with the engines stopped by fuel starvation, if indeed the pings continue until reaching ground level and don't already stop when the fires in the engines die.
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If the plane were to fly west nearer towards the satellite, the search area would have been very much reduced because of the ping's smaller circle around the satellite. Did anyone know about this and purposely fly a big circle around the satellite in order to make the SAR that more difficult.? I doubt so, but still, this adds to the mysterious nature of the case.
 
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Quickie said:
If the plane were to fly west nearer towards the satellite, the search area would have been very much reduced because of the ping's smaller circle around the satellite. Did anyone know about this and purposely fly a big circle around the satellite in order to make the SAR that more difficult.? I doubt so, but still, this adds to the mysterious nature of the case.
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I think you are confused... the arcs given are not potential flight paths, the plane did not fly around the satellite keeping the same distance. The only thing they know (or released to public) is the distance between the plane and the satellite when the plane pinged it for the last time. Using the location of the satellite and a distance they can draw a circle around it, presenting potential locations of the plane at the time of the ping. Using fuel constraints, and where the plane disappeared, they then limit this circle into those two arcs.
 
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