Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 is Missing

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joshuatree

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MwRYum said:
Gauging distance and trajectory at night visually could be inaccurate, but the direction wise could still be viable clue.

While warships in the frigate category among the SAR armada should have active bow sonar, but I don't think those are tuned to scan the sea floor for stuff, and so far only the MV Swift Rescue is the dedicated deep sea operation vessel on site, and don't know if it packed with side-scan sonar.

All things considered, Malaysian authority have done a piss-poor job so far, especially in terms of information distribution, because there're simply too many confusing reports from their own offices, and we haven't begin talking all those from other sources.
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Don't the 052C and Burkes have TAS? Would think the relative shallowness of the area would help. How about the Chinese salvage ships?
 
Blackstone

Blackstone

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What do the actual 79'x72' debris pictures look like? It's hard to believe Google Earth have sharper images than China's satellites.
 
Jeff Head

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AssassinsMace said:
I already knew this by logic but Bob Baer, a staunch anti-China hand and former CIA agent, says he's not surprised by the time lag of the Chinese releasing these satellite images. He's say these kind of images are first stored on a hard drive before someone even looks at it and then it could take days even weeks to examine images and make a determined conclusion.
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Exactly. They are not watching these types of images real time.

And, as I understand it, this was not a military satellite ether, based on one interview I saw.

So...my guess is that someone began looking over the satellite images they had from various sources, saw these, and then reported them.

It was taken on Sunday, and then released on Wednesday.

A lot of people are acting like the Chinese had them on Sunday, knew what they were...and then waited. I do not believe that is the case.

If it was a military satellite, they may have dickered with the resolution once they knew what they had found. But I doubt that. I lean towards it being a commercial satellite, with lower resolution anyway, and then having the lag in time more associated with the time it took for someone to get around to looking at them, finding these particular images, figuring out what they had, and then communicating to the state run bureau that relased them. Easily could take 3+ days.
 
superdog

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Jeff Head said:
Exactly. They are not watching these types of images real time.

And, as I understand it, this was not a military satellite ether, based on one interview I saw.

So...my guess is that someone began looking over the satellite images they had from various sources, saw these, and then reported them.

It was taken on Sunday, and then released on Wednesday.

A lot of people are acting like the Chinese had them on Sunday, knew what they were...and then waited. I do not believe that is the case.

If it was a military satellite, they may have dickered with the resolution once they knew what they had found. But I doubt that. I lean towards it being a commercial satellite, with lower resolution anyway, and then having the lag in time more associated with the time it took for someone to get around to looking at them, finding these particular images, figuring out what they had, and then communicating to the state run bureau that relased them. Easily could take 3+ days.
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Actually it may not be ideal to use a satellite with extremely high surface resolution to search for something within a large area, because the higher the resolution, the smaller field-of-view you'll get, which means more data/number of pixels will need to be taken and processed to cover the same area, this will reduce efficiency of the search.
 
superdog

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vesicles said:
Again, no explosion of any kind was detected.
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The meteor hypothesis was absurd, but I don't think we can rule out mid-air disintegration just because a system designed to monitor ICBM launch did not see a flash in the area. It is perhaps less likely because mid-air disintegration (with large explosion or not) should create a large debris field that is relatively easy to detect, but I think it is still too early to rule-out this possibility entirely.
 
Jeff Head

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superdog said:
Actually it may not be ideal to use a satellite with extremely high surface resolution to search for something within a large area, because the higher the resolution, the smaller field-of-view you'll get, which means more data/number of pixels will need to be taken and processed to cover the same area, this will reduce efficiency of the search.
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Military recon and surveillance satellites have various resolutions available to them, depending on mission. They use CCD (Charged Coupling Device) technology for the digital imagery resolution and the larger military ones have a broader view than most might imagine. Check out how large the KH-11 Keyhole satellites are (about the size of the Hubble Telescope) and understand that there is a lot of equipment packed into those babies.

Many of them have their own algorithms that allow them to search for specific types of features at lower resolution over broader areas and then train higher resolution onto areas of interest...sometimes in the same pass, other times on following passes.

I do not believe this particular satellite had such capability.
 
AssassinsMace

AssassinsMace

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If these objects are floating out there and are as large as they say and not the wreckage of the 777, that would be strange in itself. Now are they tracking these objects? Because if they have eventually sunk and disappeared from sight that means they were only there on the water until recently.

B.I.B. said:
Is that debris close to where a few days ago a worker on an oil rig claimed to have seen the plane come down?
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CNN has mentioned the connection but then CNN also compared the debris the Vietnamese thought was the door to the Chinese satellite images.
 
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asif iqbal

asif iqbal

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Breaking story this situation is so dynamic

"Vietnamese plane sees no sign of debris in an area of sea flagged by Chinese authorities: Vietnamese aviation official." -- CNN
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joshuatree

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asif iqbal said:
Breaking story this situation is so dynamic

"Vietnamese plane sees no sign of debris in an area of sea flagged by Chinese authorities: Vietnamese aviation official." -- CNN
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I was actually expecting that, remember, they are going after something "seen" by satellites days go. Could have sunk or drifted miles from that location. That's why I'm hoping somebody puts a ship in the area with some sonar capability.
 
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