Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 is Missing

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richardparker07 said:

So does anyone actually realize how weird the whole Mh370 situation is panning out? A 777 with experienced pilots is cruising along and poof, gone from everyone's sights... Days later not a single piece of wreckage, passengers cell phones are ringing all the way until voice mail, No ELT signals, No distress calls ect.... It just keeps getting weirder and weirder each day . Now if the plane crashed where the Authorizes think it might have gone down, its one of the busiest shipping lanes in the world so a 777 going down into the water would not have been Unnoticed.

So where are you MH370? Is this a game of hide and seek?

Around ten nations from the international community are currently assisting the search to find the missing Malaysian Airlines aircraft

The tragic disappearance of a Malaysian airliner on Saturday has brought together opposition navies in a rare show of maritime cooperation in the waters of Southeast Asia

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Always good to see people cooperating. If only more cooperation happens without the needs of people or planes missing, that would be good.

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superdog said:

Does not matter what resolution the CCD has or what the scanning mode is, the basic principle remains the same. Optimal surface resolution (or "focal length") for searching small objects in a large area is not necessarily the higher the better, it just need to be high enough to distinguish an object from the background. So the most "advanced" (if defined by how close it can "zoom in") is not necessarily the most suitable.

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Your original contention was that a high res picture would not be suitable because of the field of view would have to be small due to the amount of data.

My point is two fold...first, the field of view for those satellites would not be so small as you might think because they have the room and the capacity to have sensors that can deal with it, and second, the higher tech satellites do not have to work in an "either or" condition...they have the room for both, and the algorithms to help them determine which to use.

For those satellites possessing it, what you describe will not be a limiting issue. This does not mean that what you have said is not true...that more data is required at higher resolution...of course that is the case. While doing a search they may use whatever resolution is necessary to find the item in question. But such satellites also have the capability to either use higher resolution when necessary either according to the dictates of their own programming, or be tasked to do so as directed by human control.

I also indicated that I do not believe that this particular satellite has those capabilities.

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We have had a long discussion about why it took days before a satellite photo was recognized as potentially interesting. But why took it even more days before someone, presumably from MAS engine maintenance, saw that the aircraft continued to provide engine data hours after other communications had ended? My Dutch newspaper yesterday cited a KLM pilot as saying that it sometimes happened that its engine maintenance was earlier aware of a problem with an engine than the crew in the cockpit.

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t2contra said:

The link to the WSJ report

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Missing Airplane Flew On for Hours
Engine Data Suggest Malaysia Flight Was Airborne Long After Radar Disappearance, U.S. Investigators Say

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This isn't true according to Malaysian officials. There was also no police investigation done on any of the 2 pilots. Also, a Chinese agency bungled by publishing unverified images and causing a waste of resources and time to investigate the "objects".



Published: Thursday March 13, 2014 MYT 5:58:00 PM
Updated: Thursday March 13, 2014 MYT 6:39:33 PM
Missing MH370: Malaysia rejects report plane flew on



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KUALA LUMPUR: Malaysia on Thursday denied a media report that its missing airliner flew on for hours after last making contact, and said Chinese photos that raised hopes of a search breakthrough actually showed no wreckage.

"Those reports are inaccurate," Acting Transport Minister Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Tun Hussein said of a Wall Street Journal report that said US investigators suspected the plane had flown on.

The report said data automatically sent to the ground from the aircraft's Rolls-Royce engines suggested the Boeing 777 was in the air for four hours after its last contact with air traffic control at 1.30am Malaysian time.

"The last transmission from the aircraft was at 0107 hours which indicated that everything was normal," Hishammuddin said.

The Malaysia Airlines (MAS) jet was en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing on an overnight flight when it disappeared.

"Rolls-Royce and Boeing teams are here in Kuala Lumpur and have worked with MAS and investigation teams since Sunday. These issues have never been raised."

He also said China had told Malaysia that satellite photos released on the website of a Chinese state oceanic agency, apparently showing three large objects in a suspected crash site, were released "by mistake and did not show any debris."

A huge search effort has failed to find any evidence of the plane's fate despite scouring land and sea for six days.

It has been repeatedly dogged by false leads and conflicting information, drawing mounting accusations that Malaysia is bungling the response.

The effort involves dozens of vessels and aircraft from countries around Asia, plus the United States.
The Chinese agency's images had prompted Malaysia and Vietnam to dispatch planes to the area in question in the South China Sea to hunt for the suspect objects.

"The publication of the images on the website is an accident," Hishammuddin said, relating a statement he said he had received from China's ambassador to Malaysia.

He said the Chinese government did not endorse the action and was investigating. - AFP

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delft said:

We have had a long discussion about why it took days before a satellite photo was recognized as potentially interesting. But why took it even more days before someone, presumably from MAS engine maintenance, saw that the aircraft continued to provide engine data hours after other communications had ended? My Dutch newspaper yesterday cited a KLM pilot as saying that it sometimes happened that its engine maintenance was earlier aware of a problem with an engine than the crew in the cockpit.

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Excellent question.

Clearly the entire story is very weird.

Was the aircraft and all of its crew and passengers abducted and flown somewhere?

Did it suffer catastrophic aircraft failure at high altitude due to flaws in the aircraft or lack of maintenance?

Did it suffer other damage that allowed the aircraft to keep flying...and yet not have normal communications until it crashed somewhere else?

Was it the victim of a terror attack?

The truth is...after all this time, and after all has been said and discussed to this point, we just do not know.

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Jeff Head said:

Excellent question.

Clearly the entire story is very weird.

Was the aircraft and all of its crew abducted and flown somewhere?

Did it suffer catastrophic aircraft failure at high altitude due to flaws in the aircraft or lack of maintenance?

Did it suffer other damage that allowed the aircraft to keep flying...and yet not have normal communications until it crashed somewhere else?

Was it the victim of a terror attack?

The truth is...after all this time, and after all has been said and discussed to this point, we just do not know.

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More than that Jeff, that nobody saw anything obviously wrong or suspicious. That is the bit that is not credible in this story. This plane did not disappear in Mid Ocean or in the back of beyond, but over a bustling small shallow sea that nestles in one of humanities major settlement regions.

If the plane blew up or fell out of the sky it would have been seen. Had it flown off dead and not transmitting it would have passed into somebodies airspace as a very large and obvious UFO, whichever direction it went.

If it did manage to fly that way unnoticed, then you may as well scrap every 5th gen aircraft on the books as clearly you do not need them!

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Phl Navy's AW-109 Helicopter Joins Search for Missing Malaysian Airlines Plane



By Mike Frialde (philstar.com) | Updated March 13, 2014 - 1:44pm

MANILA, Philippines - The Philippine Navy has deployed one of its three newly-acquired AgustaWestland "Power" AW-109 helicopters to aid in the ongoing search for the missing Malaysia Airlines plane.Navy spokesman Lt. Cmdr. Gregory Fabic said one of the helicopters has taken part in the search for the airliner that went missing on March 8 on its way to Beijing from Kuala Lumpur.Fabic said the Navy AgustaWestland helicopter is operating in tandem with the frigate BRP Gregorio Del Pilar (PF-15). The Navy received three AgustaWestland helicopters from Italy last December.

Fabic said BRP Gregorio del Pilar is now somewhere in the West Philippine Sea and has been involved in the search since March 9.The AW-109 helicopters are expected to make their first shipboard deployment by the end of March.Fabic aded that this is the first time the BRP Gregorio Del Pilar has worked with the helicopter.Along with the BRP Gregorio Del Pilar, the Navy has also deployed the corvettes BRP Apolinario Mabini (PS-36) and BRP Emilio Jacinto (PS-35) and one Norman Britten 'Islander' plane to assist in the search. The Philippine Air Force has sent its Fokker F-27 to join in the search.

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t2contra said:

Uigher separatists would be shooting themselves in the foot if they target a foreign airline, notwithstanding the majority of the passengers are Chinese.

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Not the first time it happened, nor will it be the last.

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SampanViking said:

If it did manage to fly that way unnoticed, then you may as well scrap every 5th gen aircraft on the books as clearly you do not need them!

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Well, hehehe, I would not go that far.

The aircraft, over the ocean, could have dropped in altitude and flown outside of other nation's air coverage.

Also, depending on what occurred and where, at the time of day (1:30 AM) that this event began, it is very possible a catastrophic failure would not have been seen.

In addition, there is a HUGE difference between a large civilan airliner flying in a manner that is not "attacking" or intentionally violating air space, and a fighter doing precisely that.

I am just saying, despite all of this, the mystery increases with each passing day.

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Amazing what people or any party would do to deceive if they have an ax to grind. This act was also not sanctioned by the government as reported by some foreign media and there may be arrest if the "bomohs" continue their act.

Published: Thursday March 13, 2014 MYT 5:57:00 PM
Updated: Thursday March 13, 2014 MYT 7:26:27 PM
Missing MH370: Photo of Obama watching bomoh video fake



BY D.KANYAKUMARI

PETALING JAYA: The photo of the US President Barack Obama supposedly watching a video footage of the infamous Malaysian bomoh (Shaman) who claimed to be able to find the missing Boeing plane is a fake.

Youth and Sports Minister Khairy Jamaluddin tweeted on Thursday that the image was fake and that it has been retouched and showed that the original image was in fact of Obama watching a speech by former Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak.

Khairy also said that the "witch doctors" were not hired by the government to locate the missing airplane.

The image, which has been gone viral on social media for the last two days, has been circulating with captions saying "now the country is an international joke" and "Malaysia is now officially the laughing stock of the world."

Opposition leader, Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim during a Parliament session, jokingly, said that even Obama must have been amazed with "our stupidity."

"He even had a 1Malaysia tag on him. This is bomoh 1Malaysia," he added.

Following the disappearance of MH370, Bomoh Ibrahim Mat Zin had conducted two ritual sessions in the Kuala Lumpur International Airport, claiming that he is attempting to find the aircraft.

Under criticism from the public, the Selangor Islamic Religious Department (Jais) said that they will arrest bomohs who carry out rituals at the KLIA who refuse to disperse.