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Re: New interceptors for the Argentine Air Force?

Stupid suggestion, why doesn't Argentina have a diplomatic solution to the dispute with Great Britain? The Falklands are simply off limits. Argentina could not take them during the low time of British capability and they will not succeed against the second most capable naval power that is already well entrenched there. Have the politicians end the intractable dispute with the UK and work on a solution with Chile. As long as that situation persists, there are few aircrafts available without BAE input. Instead of focusing on the airframe, that will likely either be Russian or Chinese, there's a need to develop avionics and this will hardly happen without cooperation. Another field is simplifying an existing engine for low maintenance operations.

Re: New interceptors for the Argentine Air Force?

Kurt said:

Stupid suggestion, why doesn't Argentina have a diplomatic solution to the dispute with Great Britain? The Falklands are simply off limits. Argentina could not take them during the low time of British capability and they will not succeed against the second most capable naval power that is already well entrenched there. Have the politicians end the intractable dispute with the UK and work on a solution with Chile. As long as that situation persists, there are few aircrafts available without BAE input. Instead of focusing on the airframe, that will likely either be Russian or Chinese, there's a need to develop avionics and this will hardly happen without cooperation. Another field is simplifying an existing engine for low maintenance operations.

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Actually , hard cold reality is that best strategy for Argentina is to wait . UK is not going to attack Argentina , therefore Argentina doesn't need to spend much money on defense . On the other hand , UK has a lot of economic,demographic and social problems and yet they need to spend vast sums of money on their military (for example , price of QE aircraft carriers has just increased : ) .

In 30-40 years , if this trend continues , Argentina could reoccupy Falklands without single bullet being fired , because British simply cannot afford to station troops on that island any more .

Re: New interceptors for the Argentine Air Force?

Kurt said:

Stupid suggestion, why doesn't Argentina have a diplomatic solution to the dispute with Great Britain? The Falklands are simply off limits. Argentina could not take them during the low time of British capability and they will not succeed against the second most capable naval power that is already well entrenched there. Have the politicians end the intractable dispute with the UK and work on a solution with Chile.

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A very good and logical question. Once logic is removed the answer is very simple. Politician in Argentina (and I could say allover Latin America) are corrupt. They are only interested in lining their own pockets with as much money as they can. They therefore do not care for the welfare of the people and be association the nation as a whole. Consequently as the nation suffers economical due the inept handling of the economy a scapegoat need to by taken out for public display and distraction. In the case of Argentina it is the Malvinas/Falkland issue. The military regime in the 1980s used it to distract from the faltering economy then. Every nation has one. This is the rattle used to distract the populous. Just remember the Latin American political mantra: do what is politically expedient to enhance your career and steal as much as you can.

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thunderchief said:

Actually , hard cold reality is that best strategy for Argentina is to wait . UK is not going to attack Argentina , therefore Argentina doesn't need to spend much money on defense . On the other hand , UK has a lot of economic,demographic and social problems and yet they need to spend vast sums of money on their military (for example , price of QE aircraft carriers has just increased :

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In 30-40 years , if this trend continues , Argentina could reoccupy Falklands without single bullet being fired , because British simply cannot afford to station troops on that island any more .

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Well put. Yes wait and use that time to clean our own house and reclaim a proper standing in the world community again.

Re: New interceptors for the Argentine Air Force?

Kurt said:

Instead of focusing on the airframe, that will likely either be Russian or Chinese, there's a need to develop avionics and this will hardly happen without cooperation. Another field is simplifying an existing engine for low maintenance operations.

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Cooperation with Brasil in aviation, together with heavy industry, is going to be the only way that Argentina can rebuild those industries again. There is the nation will, there just needs to be the political and economic driver to achieve this goal. If not, all will be lost. And we will see a once strong military fade into history, and we will have no one to blame but ourselves.

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Miragedriver said:

Cooperation with Brasil in aviation, together with heavy industry, is going to be the only way that Argentina can rebuild those industries again. There is the nation will, there just needs to be the political and economic driver to achieve this goal. If not, all will be lost. And we will see a once strong military fade into history, and we will have no one to blame but ourselves.

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I agree totally in your 3 latest post, here is the continuation of the thread you opened but saddly was accidently erased
http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/world-armed-forces/latin-american-military-news-discussion-6627.html
The other day i saw this news, and i think the problem in Latin america is not that we lack technology, but all the projects have failed in most of our countries because we do not know how to finance and make money with them.

However i hope this Brazilian company becomes really sucessful they designed the first for latin america


FIRST BRAZILIAN turbojet engine IS PRESENTED BY AT LAAD POLARIS, A SMALL BRAZILIAN COMPANY



TURBOJET TJ1000
Military engine capable of providing up to 1000 lbf of thrust power. A very good choice for high performance UAVs, Cruise Missiles and air target drones. The large number of possible applications for this engine makes it very attractive and a potential exponent within brazilian aeronautical industries.

TECHNICAL SPECIFICATION

Thrust: 1000lbf
Specific Consumption: 1.18 kg/kgf/h
Weight: 67Kg
Lenght: 1080mm
Diameter: 350mm




In the other way i heard that
Dmitry Shugaev, Deputy Director General of Rostec State Corporation, the Head of united Russian delegation at the LAAD-2013 exhibition in Rio de Janeiro, has told about techno-alliance with Brazil and implementation of face-recognition system at Olympic Games and football championships.

COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO THE RSA HELD BRICS SUMMIT DEVOTED TO TECHNOLOGICAL PARTNERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES OF THE PARTICIPANT COUNTRIES. WHICH OPPORTUNITIES DOES ROSTEC SEE IN THIS KIND OF COOPERATION?

We believe that working with Russian partners within this union is crucial. First of all it concerns Russian Helicopters that actively develops projects and increases deliveries of end products in the region and also conducts a full range of after-sale services. For example, the company jointly with Rosoboronexport is now creating a network of MRO centres in India, RSA, Brazil and China. The enterprise collaborates with local industrial leaders as Odebrecht (Brazil) and Denel (South Africa). By the way, the holdings also cooperate within Odebrecht subsidiary, the Mectron company.



Argentina needs tp follow Brazil example to get a new fighter, tech transfer must be one of the most important factors

Re: New interceptors for the Argentine Air Force?

thunderchief said:

Actually , hard cold reality is that best strategy for Argentina is to wait . UK is not going to attack Argentina , therefore Argentina doesn't need to spend much money on defense . On the other hand , UK has a lot of economic,demographic and social problems and yet they need to spend vast sums of money on their military (for example , price of QE aircraft carriers has just increased :

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In 30-40 years , if this trend continues , Argentina could reoccupy Falklands without single bullet being fired , because British simply cannot afford to station troops on that island any more .

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Here is not so easy England is supported by NATO and the European Union, while Argentina by Mercosur and Latin America
However i agree for England alone it will be to expensive to keep the Falklands/ Malvinas, in Argentina they know it, for that reason Mercosur has stop aiding the falklands, new fighters by Argentina will make more expensive for England to keep the Falklands/ malvinas due to more pressure to defend them but this also could be an invitation to NATO to mingle more directly, so i think Argentina is not in a Hurry to buy jets, so in my opinion they should better get civil aircraft and build them make money and only buy a token of new fighters to keep a basic defense force in the air, however the British want to finance with oil the Falklands, this has angered Argentina and only by rejecting as a united Mercosur and UNASUR the search for oil Argentina will succed

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MiG-29 said:

Here is not so easy England is supported by NATO and the European Union, while Argentina by Mercosur and Latin America.

However i agree for England alone it will be to expensive to keep the Falklands/ Malvinas, in Argentina they know it. New fighters by Argentina will make more expensive for England to keep the Falklands/ malvinas due to more pressure to defend them but this also could be an invitation to NATO to mingle more directly,

Argentina is not in a Hurry to buy jets, so in my opinion they should better get civil aircraft and build them make money and only buy a token of new fighters to keep a basic defense force in the air, however the British want to finance with oil the Falklands, this has angered Argentina and only by rejecting as a united Mercosur and UNASUR the search for oil Argentina will succeed

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I think it will be a long time. The UK will hold on to the Falklands as long as possible, and it will be a long time before any aircraft that Argentina acquires can challenge the Typhoons there. I expect the UK will keep their specially upgraded River Patrol Boat there, and will periodically have an SSN in the area too.

All of that will have to end before there is any chance in getting those islands.

Argentina should just forget about those Islands as a reason for anything.

They should focus as you and Thunderchief have indicated in cementing the economic relationships, and in electing at least half-way honorable leaders who will focus on reviving Argentina's economy and industry and establishing the capability to acquire and maintain the aircraft, vessels, and systems necessary for Argentina's defense.

History and time will take care of the rest.

Re: New interceptors for the Argentine Air Force?

Jeff Head said:

I think it will be a long time. The UK will hold on to the Falklands as long as possible, and it will be a long time before any aircraft that Argentina acquires can challenge the Typhoons there.

Argentina should just forget about those Islands as a reason for anything.


History and time will take care of the rest.

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Here i do not think Argentina will forget the islands.
Why? first is the History, while western press never talks about the 2 times England attacked Buenos Aires in the XIX century (1806, 1807 ) in 1845 a joint French and British fleet sailed in Parana River and was defeated by Juan Manuel de Rosas a General of Argentina; or the fact Argentina knew about the oil in the Falkland/Malvinas even before 1982

If you watch this program you can see the history of the problem it is in Spanish though

in fact in 1976 it was knew there was oil in Argentina`s continental platform.


This was one of the reasons for the 1982 war.

So it is unlikely Argentina will allow the British get access to that oil, here is not that Argentina will buy new fighters to defeat the British Typhoons, but what diplomatic strategy will take Argentina to stop England from taking their oil under the excuse of the people of the Falklands/Malvinas

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MiG-29 said:

Here i do not think Argentina will forget the islands.
Why? first is the History, while western press never talks about the 2 times England attacked Buenos Aires in the XIX century (1806, 1807 ) in 1845 a joint French and British fleet sailed in Parana River and was defeated by Juan Manuel de Rosas a General of Argentina; or the fact Argentina knew about the oil in the Falkland/Malvinas even before 1982

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If you watch this program you can see the history of the problem it is in Spanish though

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in fact in 1976 it was knew there was oil in Argentina`s continental platform.


This was one of the reasons for the 1982 war.

So it is unlikely Argentina will allow the British get access to that oil, here is not that Argentina will buy new fighters to defeat Typhoons, but what diplomatic strategy will take Argentina to stop England from taking their oil under the excuse of the people of the Falklands/Malvinas

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True, but what's going to stop the British from drilling for those resources on what they considered is their land? Now both sides can work out a deal where they can share revenues from those resources through diplomatic channels. I can see that as a likely scenario meanwhile the two sides can still debate about ownership of the Falkland Islands/Malvinas, or IMO split the ownership in half. The Argentine can get the entire west island meanwhile the British can have the east island.