Re: New interceptors for the Argentine Air Force?
spares are expensive though. and maintainese heavy.
munitions are expensive too.
spares are expensive though. and maintainese heavy.
munitions are expensive too.
Low-cost, muti-role aircraft for small militaries
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Re: New interceptors for the Argentine Air Force?
how far away is "the target" from mainland?
a land launched C-802/KD-88 land attack version?
I don't think any J-7 variant ever built has BVR capability in any form? They were only armed with SRAAMs?
I think Argentina should go for JF-17, if there are just only four typhoons stationed at the falklands??
You could get quite a few JF-17s (6? Depends how expensive EF actually is -- I'm getting 90kk euros on wiki, ie ~130kk USD? JF-17 unit price is 20kk USD) in exchange for a typhoon. Of course that means more money for maintenance of more aircraft, and there's also UK reinforcements to contest with, not just fighters but type 45 destroyers...
But the prudent choice right now is for the argentines to expand the sheer number of their fighters (the few mirages and skyhawks are definitely not enough). Money money..
(better yet, buy a few longer ranged cruise missiles so you won't have to deal with typhoons in the air at all. Do bases on the falklands have significant C-RAM protection?)
how far away is "the target" from mainland?
a land launched C-802/KD-88 land attack version?
Re: New interceptors for the Argentine Air Force?
Are you crazy i.e.!!! The English (and probably some other South American countries) would go crazy if China sells Argentina a dedicated fighter-bomber.
Are you crazy i.e.!!! The English (and probably some other South American countries) would go crazy if China sells Argentina a dedicated fighter-bomber.
Re: New interceptors for the Argentine Air Force?
Yes, I am crazy.
but then again Rafale is theoritical more of a capable platform than that narrow missioned JH-7A.
isn't Rafale is advertised as "Omni-Role". certainly can drop tons of smart munitions and AShMs.
if Argentina buys state-of-art Rafale and no one think much of it, then why bother with a old-platform?
Yes, I am crazy.
but then again Rafale is theoritical more of a capable platform than that narrow missioned JH-7A.
isn't Rafale is advertised as "Omni-Role". certainly can drop tons of smart munitions and AShMs.
if Argentina buys state-of-art Rafale and no one think much of it, then why bother with a old-platform?
Miragedriver
Brigadier
Re: New interceptors for the Argentine Air Force?
I’m in complete agreement with you. The FAA has signed a contract to purchase two Saab 340 Erieye AWAC aircraft from Sweden. They saw what the Brazilian Erieye did to the Frence Mirage 2000N (see post #37).
Do you think that the Chinese would export the JH-7? What about the Royal Royce engines? The JH-7 would be far superior to the Super Etendard, not only in range, but radar and payload.
I’m in complete agreement with you. The FAA has signed a contract to purchase two Saab 340 Erieye AWAC aircraft from Sweden. They saw what the Brazilian Erieye did to the Frence Mirage 2000N (see post #37).
Do you think that the Chinese would export the JH-7? What about the Royal Royce engines? The JH-7 would be far superior to the Super Etendard, not only in range, but radar and payload.
Re: New interceptors for the Argentine Air Force?
The engines on the JH-7A are completely indigenous. This won't be a problem.
The engines on the JH-7A are completely indigenous. This won't be a problem.
Miragedriver
Brigadier
Re: New interceptors for the Argentine Air Force?
Not so crazy! After all no one raised an eyebrow when the Naval Aviation obtained Super Etendards with Exocet.
Not so crazy! After all no one raised an eyebrow when the Naval Aviation obtained Super Etendards with Exocet.
Re: New interceptors for the Argentine Air Force?
The narrow-missioned nature of the JH-7A IS the issue. The French could potentially neuter the Rafale's air to ground capabilities just to satisfy the English (they did it to satisfy the mainland on the Taiwanese Mirage2000s) but a similar thing couldn't be done with the JH-7A.
The narrow-missioned nature of the JH-7A IS the issue. The French could potentially neuter the Rafale's air to ground capabilities just to satisfy the English (they did it to satisfy the mainland on the Taiwanese Mirage2000s) but a similar thing couldn't be done with the JH-7A.
Re: New interceptors for the Argentine Air Force?
Good to know that Erieye contract is signed.
a tweaked version of Spey Mk202 is licensed in china as WS-9, I don't know if WS-9 is covered in that original license from RR or not. (close to 30 years now)
for a airforce with limited budget but potentially large comitments one has to get creative.
get a couple of used civil liners/ bizjet /C-130s and strap missile / radars on them to serve as MPAs for example.
OEM equipment is just too expensive. and only the richest country can afford them now.
fast jets are sexy but things like a persistent MPA force, even if less than state-of-art, would help alot to advance policy interests.
Good to know that Erieye contract is signed.
a tweaked version of Spey Mk202 is licensed in china as WS-9, I don't know if WS-9 is covered in that original license from RR or not. (close to 30 years now)
for a airforce with limited budget but potentially large comitments one has to get creative.
get a couple of used civil liners/ bizjet /C-130s and strap missile / radars on them to serve as MPAs for example.
OEM equipment is just too expensive. and only the richest country can afford them now.
fast jets are sexy but things like a persistent MPA force, even if less than state-of-art, would help alot to advance policy interests.
Miragedriver
Brigadier
Re: New interceptors for the Argentine Air Force?
Then that would be the best option! Replace the Super Etendards with one squadron of JH-7 and replace the Mirage with two squadrons of FC-1’s
As time goes by transfer these older FC-1 to a strike roll (replacing the A-4’s) and purchase two new squadrons of upgraded FC-1’s the replace the first batch purchased.
Having just the FC-1 in the Air Force would also simplify the logistics and maintenance requirements.
Besides I’m sure that the Israelis could help de-neuter the JH-7
Then that would be the best option! Replace the Super Etendards with one squadron of JH-7 and replace the Mirage with two squadrons of FC-1’s
As time goes by transfer these older FC-1 to a strike roll (replacing the A-4’s) and purchase two new squadrons of upgraded FC-1’s the replace the first batch purchased.
Having just the FC-1 in the Air Force would also simplify the logistics and maintenance requirements.
Besides I’m sure that the Israelis could help de-neuter the JH-7