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Re: New interceptors for the Argentine Air Force?

siegecrossbow said:

The narrow-missioned nature of the JH-7A IS the issue. The French could potentially neuter the Rafale's air to ground capabilities just to satisfy the English (they did it to satisfy the mainland on the Taiwanese Mirage2000s) but a similar thing couldn't be done with the JH-7A.

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for a extra couple of mil $ I am sure a customer can get china to fit SD-10 or PL-11 onto JH-7A.
the radar JL-10A is certainly capable or cueing a radar AAM.

one can also put in a software mode in the fire control computer to prohibit integration of c802.
sorta like " warranty is void when you strap this missile on"; except it is just a software switch so one make JH-7A neutered! and A2A only.

If one is worried about the range of JH-7A then just make the fuel meter so not to take in more than a set amount of fuel. so the range is limited upon delivery.

after FAA takes delivery, one could slip a note in the back of the user-manual booklet for instruction on how "not to tamper" with fire control software so that c802 integration would be possible. and how to not to overfill the tanks, so...

mean while argentina army would take delivery of coastal battery version of c802s, and some of them would be some how compatible with the JH-7As. still sealed in their containers.

oh I am such a bad boy!

Re: New interceptors for the Argentine Air Force?

Actually pondering about the issue a little more I think there might be a way for Argentina to procur the J-20 with maintenance and training coverage...

Re: New interceptors for the Argentine Air Force?

siegecrossbow said:

Actually pondering about the issue a little more I think there might be a way for Argentina to procur the J-20 with maintenance and training coverage...

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same as those of PAF or with third party (israeli) radars and missiles?

Re: New interceptors for the Argentine Air Force?

siegecrossbow said:

The size of the radar in a J-7 is limited by the small nose cone (result of using nose intake). I highly doubt that any J-7 variant, no matter how advanced, has BVR capabilities.

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I thought Indian Mig-21 bisons had some level of BVR?

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i.e. said:

how far away is "the target" from mainland?
a land launched C-802/KD-88 land attack version?

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I was thinking an export DH-10 or YJ-62. But they'd be subject to MTCR of course. Maybe they could sell some of the new rockets which aren't subject to the treaty, but not sure if they got enough range. Or try and be creative -- cruise missiles in cargo containers like the russians are marketing?

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While we're on the subject of JH-7s, can someone give numbers on its range and combat radius? Wiki says 9 tons but sinodefence says 5 tons... which is less than the J-10's 6 tons??

Re: New interceptors for the Argentine Air Force?

siegecrossbow said:

Actually pondering about the issue a little more I think there might be a way for Argentina to procur the J-20 with maintenance and training coverage...

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But doesn’t the J-20 cost around 100 million US$ each which is quite expensive for one aircraft. Don’t you think that the SU-47 would be a better choice?
Won’t the Chinese have reservation about there best new aircraft being exported? It could alienate their other client states.
How could this be done?

Re: New interceptors for the Argentine Air Force?

Miragedriver said:

But doesn’t the J-20 cost around 100 million US$ each which is quite expensive for one aircraft. Don’t you think that the SU-47 would be a better choice?
Won’t the Chinese have reservation about there best new aircraft being exported? It could alienate their other client states.
How could this be done?

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If Argentina could send a few football coaches over and get our pathetic national man's team ready for World Cup then this could certainly be done. Xi Jinping is a huge soccer fan. I am sure he will approve.

Sorry about the joke I was trying to lighten up the atmosphere a little bit.

On the other hand I do think that Argentina is a pretty good candidate for the SAC's rumored heavy strike-fighter. A multirole platform with both decent A-to-A and good strike capabilities should fit the niche described by Mirage nicely. However the deal would come a while after Argentina procures 4th gen fighters.

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LOL!!!!
I would love to get rid of Maradona. If I could I would gladly give him up, but the Chinese are not stupid and probable know that he’s a liability.

I’m beginning to see a consensus that the JF-17 is the best bet. It can go head to head with the F-16 and in conjunction with some AWAC support will do well in the national defense role.

I don’t want to spread any disinformation, but I remember reading that there was a possibility of installing the Mirage 2000 engine in the JF-17. Has anyone read anything like that?

Re: New interceptors for the Argentine Air Force?

Miragedriver said:

I don’t want to spread any disinformation, but I remember reading that there was a possibility of installing the Mirage 2000 engine in the JF-17. Has anyone read anything like that?

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I've heard of installation of French avionics on the JF-17 but never planes to install the French engine of the JF-17.

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That’s the one thing that concerns me regarding the JF-17, is the RD-33/RD-93 engine. There seams to be a tremendous amount of controversy surrounding the reliability and maintenance requirements for this power-plant. However I imagine that an in country engine overhaul facility could be part of the deal