the deal was solarz insist china should defend these player instead recognize it was wrong. no its not a big deal, it was wrong, and be done with it. if you read my 1st reply its not about who does it etc, its about solarz opinion that its was right, so i symply point out it was wrong.
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the deal was solarz insist china should defend these player instead recognize it was wrong. no its not a big deal, it was wrong, and be done with it. if you read my 1st reply its not about who does it etc, its about solarz opinion that its was right, so i symply point out it was wrong.
bluewater2012
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I kind of agree with you on the first sentence, however they do have good reason to back up. The problem is with the rules, it did not say specifically that you cannot throw a game to earn you a better spot/opponent for the medal. This has been pointed out before the Olympic matches but the world badminton federation decide to do nothing about it, for they thought introuducing robin round would sell more tickets at the olympics. Tell me, what is so wrong for throwing a game for a better spot when the ultimate goal is to snatch all the medals from the competition? Don't tell me that bad sportsmanship or that fans not happy about it. This is the olympics and the ultimate goal is to win the medal no matter what tactic you needed in order to win, not a crowd show. What we don't agree is that the Chinese coach instead demanding thir athletes to apologize they should instead take all the blames themselves and plea for the behalf of their athletes to not get DQ for the matches or at least like Korea try to dispute that decision with a plea. Instead of looking dumb first by asking their athletes to admit they're wong then apologize and then later have the coach apologize too after the BWF want further investigation after yu yang quit badmintion on her blog for saying shes done no wrong within the rules of the game. After seeing others bending the rules in some other games, this kind of way in handling with China team, its an embarrassment. And yes ive read some english source and there are a number of supports saying the DQ of the badmintion players are not right if its iwthin the rules and others doing the same are not DQ as pointed out by the double standards. For example, just like the british cycle who crash on purpose in order to restart and that lame excuse the IOC used for not DQ him is that fans are not derived of their happinese. What a shock.
well when the referee give them warning, and pull out a black card. they should start play for the win. the olympic goal is to have a fair competition, and do the best you can to win it. it is unfortunete people will take advantage of the new round robin rules. but olympic is never about win at any cost/tactic. later how they handle the situation, i'm not sure. but if china defend it then i don't consider thats a good decision. however if the coach is defend the athlete, its a different situation. from sloarz, i though he meant the state/commite should defend the case. if he meant the coach then thats coach's individual decision.
solarz
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Sorry, but throwing labels like "ultra-nationalists" around doesn't make your opinion any more valid. It just shows that you prefer making personal attacks rather than sticking to the issue.
The issue here is, DID THE PLAYERS BREAK ANY RULES? The answer to that question is a categorical no.
Absolutely, the Chinese government should be backing up the badminton players. You can talk about the "Olympic spirit" all you want, but I find something called "contract law" to be much more important when it comes to issues of honesty and integrity.
Those players went into the game with the understanding that those were the rules. Why should they be punished when they acted in complete accordance to those rules that they agreed to when they joined the game?
So the referee pulled out a black card: so what? If there was a rule being broken, the players would have been disqualified right there. The fact that they kept on playing shows that the ref himself knew that no rules were being broken. It was just a really bad show. Sorry, but the athletes are not here to entertain the crowd. They're not the ones receiving the money from the ticket sales. That is the responsibility of the IOC, whose first reaction, despicably enough, was to announce that there would be no refunds.
So why should the Chinese government defend the Badminton players? Because when a British cyclist crashed on purpose to get a better restart, went on to win a gold medal, and then admitted his action to the media, the British government claimed that he was misinterpreted because english wasn't his first language.
That's why.
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The problem in your argument is that you are assuming the players were in the wrong when in fact they weren't. You cannot say they are wrong when they are playing by the rules. Period.
The organizers were warned that this situation could happen when they made up the rules, and yet they ignored the warnings. Thus, the faults lie with the organizers, not the players. What is wrong is how the organizers penalized the players for the incompetence of the organizers.
solarz
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I think these events have clearly shown that the IOC is not interested in the "Olympic spirit", or in any competitive fairness. All they're interested in is giving the crowd a good show and justify the cash that they rake in. To them, the Olympics is simply a Circus, of the ancient Roman kind.
so your saying, throwing the game is ok in olympic, and the chinese government should backup the player. even after the refree indicate its not acceptable, the chinese athlete is right to throw the game dispite olympic committe judegement, if this is not nationlist i don't know what is. now if the athlete play for the win after the refree warn them, then that would be fine we won't have this discussion now. but it was a loophole that was expolit by the player/coach, and its wrong, pure and simple. so when referee pull out a card, the athelete should just ignore him. so why not throw the rocket intentional to other player and call it accident, its not breaking the rule. basically for you turn the olympic game into a unethnical, unmoral, use any tactic to win the game is fine. serisoully. well i'm glad the chinese government least doesn't think like you, and make this incident even worse.
lol seriouslly the player throwing the game meant the IOC is not interest in the olympic spirit. the fact is they do it because olympic spirit, the game should be play for the win, not throwing it for an easy match. you keep justify throwing the game is ok, no big deal. its unethical, its wrong, pure and simple
so throwing game on purpose when clearly the olympic game was meant to play for the win is ok. is all chinese think like this?? so if the guy throw the rocket intentional to other player call it accident its ok, since there is no rule for that either. you guys need to take some ethical class. use any tactic, any way to win thats the motto now huh. its the olympic not some underground boxing match
and clearly any government/commitee disagree with you guys on this issue.
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