London Summer Olympics 2012

bladerunner said:

In what way was he robbed.?
I assume you are referring to Chen's performance on the rings. I dont think its surprising that Zanetti beat Chen as his performance was equally good. Perhaps Chen was unlucky to be the first contestant when the judges are wary to give too high a mark. Zanetti gave a excellent routine and his performance would still be fresh in the judges minds while Chen's had faded. Anyway Im sure Chen has had plenty of 50/50 calls that had gone his way, this just wasn't one of them.

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Not arguing with you for the sake of arguing but i watched the replay twice since i had it recorded on my dvr. Clearly chen's performance was better than the guy from brazil. I can't find any erro on chen's part, but since i'm no expert. But on the brazilian guy, i found two error he made, one when he spread his legs apart, it was a bit off balance and then his dismount not as flawless as chen. That surprised me when he received more points then chen's. Yes, its unlucky to go first and not recieving a higher score when you did a better job than the rest. What irk me is that china coach should be like the U.S. and immediately complain and file an appeal since by video chen performance is clearly better. Who knows maybe we can have a double gold just like when the u.s coach filed a complain to receive an double bronze score on the women trampoline? Also dumbfounded me if only chen's wouldnt act so arrogantly/pridely as to kiss the metal bar after his performance, kinda turned me away too. :/

bluewater2012 said:

Not arguing with you for the sake of arguing but i watched the replay twice since i had it recorded on my dvr. Clearly chen's performance was better than the guy from brazil. I can't find any erro on chen's part, but since i'm no expert. But on the brazilian guy, i found two error he made, one when he spread his legs apart, it was a bit off balance and then his dismount not as flawless as chen. That surprised me when he received more points then chen's. Yes, its unlucky to go first and not recieving a higher score when you did a better job than the rest. What irk me is that china coach should be like the U.S. and immediately complain and file an appeal since by video chen performance is clearly better. Who knows maybe we can have a double gold just like when the u.s coach filed a complain to receive an double bronze score on the women trampoline? Also dumbfounded me if only chen's wouldnt act so arrogantly/pridely as to kiss the metal bar after his performance, kinda turned me away too. :/

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China needs to learn to stand up for their athletes. They should have backed up the DQed badminton players instead of demanding them to apologize. They should have filed an appeal in Chen's case, and they should have spoke up along with the french coach for the cyclists robbed of their gold.

Oh, and why do you feel that kissing the bar after a good (flawless?) performance is "arrogant"?

Mr T said:

Maybe. Or perhaps he was worried he'd get disciplined because his girls made a mistake that they shouldn't have, so he tried to deflect attention by claiming "we woz wobbed". I would go for something in between. Coaches protest all the time, usually because they think they have a case. The Chinese coach may have thought he had a case - didn't mean he did.

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A lot of ifs and speculation from you. However, the coach defense was that they did the exact thing during qualification so if there an violation it should had been spotted early on.

What do you guys think of an Olympic where players from all nations are allowed to participate, but which the medals are awarded without tying the athlete's name to their host nations?

That way we can concentrate on the players instead of national politics.

no_name said:

What do you guys think of an Olympic where players from all nations are allowed to participate, but which the medals are awarded without tying the athlete's name to their host nations?

That way we can concentrate on the players instead of national politics.

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Where's the fun in that?

solarz said:

Oh, and why do you feel that kissing the bar after a good (flawless?) performance is "arrogant"?

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You know the stereotype that others expect on you (chinese) to be humble and modest in front of your performance and audiences? Who knows, maybe that could put off a few judges to lower his points a little, just my opinion. :::sarcasm:::

I'm back... to dare to think after the thought police bombed the Chevron refinery and took out internet service that my provider said was the cause. Oh what fun did I miss...

bladerunner said:

Yeah I saw the news about the Team Cycling fime reported in the China Daily as well

Here it is it took me some time to find the article from the sydney morning herald



"CHINESE Olympians were subjected to a state-sponsored doping regime which was modelled on eastern Europe, says a retired Chinese Olympic doctor.

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Well, my previous argument stills stand, as it did not depends on whether state sanctions is true or not.

FYI, here again is the view from the chinese doctors,

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doping_in_China

Chen Zhangho and Xue Yinxian revelations

In a July 2012 interview published by the Sydney Morning Herald newspaper, Chen Zhangho, the lead doctor for the Chinese Olympic team at the Los Angeles, Seoul and Barcelona Olympics told of how he had tested hormones, blood doping and steroids on about fifty elite athletes.[3] Chen also accused the United States, the Soviet Union and France of using performance-enhancing drugs at the same time as China.[3] Chen also blamed foreign experts for "lying" to the Chinese about the effectiveness of doping, saying he and others "blindly believed them like fools".[3] The Chinese officials eventually concluded that training was the key to performance and that taking drugs did not guarantee this.[3]

Chen said that half of the athletes found doping effective and half did not, adding that he had steered away from growth hormones to steroids because they were cheaper.[3] Chen said he was governed by three principles, that the athlete took the substances voluntarily, that no harm was caused and that they were effective.[3]

Xue Yinxian, former chief doctor for the Chinese gymnastics team, had previously told the newspaper that official use of steroids and growth hormone was "rampant" in the 1980s.[3] Xue claimed that steroids and human growth hormones were officially treated as part of "scientific training", and athletes often did not know what they were being injected with.[3] Xue did not allege that all Chinese athletes used drugs and has refrained from naming individual athletes.[3]

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There are two former Chinese doctors, but I can only find one but not the another from sydney morning herald, strange.......

I love how people who hide behind the rule of law toss it out the window when it doesn't work in their favor. I know my internet was knocked out for the last few days but I haven't heard any Chinese athlete testing positive. So still going by what others do as a sign of guilt? And of course also the denial of steroid scandals at home. Yeah if they don't mention it, it's like it never happened. Because I had no internet access, I was stuck watching TV for most of my daily info. I noticed they don't speak much of suggesting Ye cheated anymore. Maybe because they're getting the idea they're a bunch of hypocrites when they railed against those that wouldn't accept official documentation of Obama's birth certificate.

bluewater2012 said:

Not arguing with you for the sake of arguing but i watched the replay twice since i had it recorded on my dvr. Clearly chen's performance was better than the guy from brazil. I can't find any erro on chen's part, but since i'm no expert. But on the brazilian guy, i found two error he made, one when he spread his legs apart, it was a bit off balance and then his dismount not as flawless as chen. That surprised me when he received more points then chen's. Yes, its unlucky to go first and not recieving a higher score when you did a better job than the rest. What irk me is that china coach should be like the U.S. and immediately complain and file an appeal since by video chen performance is clearly better. Who knows maybe we can have a double gold just like when the u.s coach filed a complain to receive an double bronze score on the women trampoline? Also dumbfounded me if only chen's wouldnt act so arrogantly/pridely as to kiss the metal bar after his performance, kinda turned me away too. :/

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Unfortunately I never recorded the competition so I'll go along with what you say. Because he got 15.800, i was always open to the thought he could be beaten.I always look at the transition from the press into whatever his show of strength positions are.
From an execution point of view I think they have to look like they are doing it easy.Just checking to see what Chen got at Beijing .He got 16.600 with the third guy getting 16.325. His last two worlds which he won were 15.900 and 15.800, so perhaps he was past his best.. Anyway I think they mark from what they see ... no video playback or multi angle.Therfore they wouldnt see the flaws that you might see.
The way they mark now in artistic gymnastics prevents a draw now. In the event of a draw they take the technical execution with a host of other numbers and crunch them together. I saw them do it in the womens final when the italian girl tied for third withe australian girl on the floor exercise.

I don't think theres too much wrong with Chen kissing the apparatus and all the happy happy stuff I think its part of the game to suck another hundreth of a point or whatever from the judges. With the women from eastern Europe and Russians and a certain extent the Americans they show what think in their faces. With someone like Chen and a few of his team mates you can't tell what they think of their performance as they are always smiling.

After years of watching gymnastics I still think this guys one of the best on the pommel. IThe white pants are much better as it makes the legs standout. Just listen to the acolades he gets. The only other person I know who got those types of raves was Li Ning. Certainly not the modern crop of chinese gymnsts.