Lessons for China to learn from Ukraine conflict for Taiwan scenario

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tygyg1111

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I'm concerned about Taiwan's younger generation. From what I've seen at my university, they make HK kids look patriotic.

In the mainland WW2 is known as 'the war of resistance against Japanese aggression'. Taiwanese youth instead refer to it as 'the war of liberation of the Chinese race', justifying such language with the logic that as natural slaves of the Japanese, Chinese people cannot be truly happy under self-rule. Atrocities such as the Nanjing Massacre and Kill All, Burn All, Loot All policy are portrayed in the light of Japan as the knowledgeable parent punishing China the wayward child. At least Japan denies moral culpability - Taiwanese youth openly celebrate the death of 20 million Chinese during WW2. In fact, their love for Japan can only be matched by their hatred of China. I've overheard more conversations than I can count where these kids fantasize about teaming up with the Japanese military to invade China and, I quote, 'kill and rape as many mainlanders as possible'. They're also all utterly obsessed with anime.
Well, I guess they won't be takers of the humanitarian emigration corridor, so all's fair in the end
 

56860

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They're spineless though and wouldn't be able to put up any actual resistance in an insurgency (the big majority of course, the smaller minority putting up resistance will get crushed).

More likely, they will try to migrate, which is great!
It's concerning, because I would much rather peaceful over forced reunification. But if this is the attitude of the next generation there is zero chance of the former happening. Actually, reunification with Japan (i.e. Taiwan reverting back to a Japanese colony) seems significantly more likely, and, dare I say, not completely out of the bounds of reality judging from what I've seen.
 

el pueblo unido

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Well, I guess they won't be takers of the humanitarian emigration corridor, so all's fair in the end
There will be a U-turn in their opinion once PLA's guided MLRS munition starts raining down on them, I have never seen somebody hope for their own demise so eager, they should know better that there is a solution to this, and it is to shut up and stop the provocation
 

56860

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Well, there is a lot of love from war, don't be that cynical!
It's just that, you have to understand human nature, and write a script that will result in invoking their love for you. That's why there is such thing as PUA (pick-up-artistry). In Chinese, it's ”你别吃力不讨好“.

In my somewhat cold and harsh (ruthless if you may) opinion, you must first completely destroy the confidence of a people, make them "shit their pants" and run for their lives and lost their sense of safety and order. And once they accepted the fact that they are screwed, you can then come in with just a little act of kindness and give them a little bit of treats, and they will get hooked on.

Without letting them first experience what hardship is, you will not win their love. You must bash them to the ground, dash their hopes and terrorize their hearts, before your small gesture of kindness will be received as something they desperately needs.

That probably sounded very draconian and evil.....
The more I think about it the more this makes sense. Look at the evidence.

Anglos raped Hong Kong. Hong Kongers now worship Anglos.
Japan raped Taiwan. Taiwanese now worship Japan.
US raped Japan. Japanese now worship Americans.

Japan raped China, and perhaps 1.4 billion Chinese would now be willing subjects of Japan if not for the CCP.
 

Michaelsinodef

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The more I think about it the more this makes sense. Look at the evidence.

Anglos raped Hong Kong. Hong Kongers now worship Anglos.
Japan raped Taiwan. Taiwanese now worship Japan.
US raped Japan. Japanese now worship Americans.

Japan raped China, and perhaps 1.4 billion Chinese would now be willing subjects of Japan if not for the CCP.
The hongkongers worshipping the anglos have basically left now though lol.

Or well the remaining left in Hong Kong aren't that loud/noticeable, and as time goes on Anglo worship will fall (even on the mainland people did used to look up to the US, but it's been heavily falling in recent years as people gotten more aware of the actual realities in US and with China improving as it have).
 

Han Patriot

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The hongkongers worshipping the anglos have basically left now though lol.

Or well the remaining left in Hong Kong aren't that loud/noticeable, and as time goes on Anglo worship will fall (even on the mainland people did used to look up to the US, but it's been heavily falling in recent years as people gotten more aware of the actual realities in US and with China improving as it have).
The problem is China didn't control the education. Since the late 90s, Lee TengHui changed the education system to despise China/Mainlanders. He capitlalize on the Chiang regimes hatred and indoctrination of hatred towards the Communists to hatred to the Mainlanders who happen to be Communists. Later on, he try to de-sinize Taiwan by removing Chinese elements from education and politics. The only thing he can't change is the constitution as that would be war.

HK education needs revamp, brainwashing people into patriots is very very important, the 90% common people are mostly sheeple, they can be shepherded into the Anglo or Sino idea. You just need to know how to market it.
 

56860

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The problem is China didn't control the education. Since the late 90s, Lee TengHui changed the education system to despise China/Mainlanders. He capitlalize on the Chiang regimes hatred and indoctrination of hatred towards the Communists to hatred to the Mainlanders who happen to be Communists. Later on, he try to de-sinize Taiwan by removing Chinese elements from education and politics. The only thing he can't change is the constitution as that would be war.

HK education needs revamp, brainwashing people into patriots is very very important, the 90% common people are mostly sheeple, they can be shepherded into the Anglo or Sino idea. You just need to know how to market it.
Just googled that dude, why am I not surprised he volunteered for the Imperial Japanese Army.
 

tygyg1111

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The more I think about it the more this makes sense. Look at the evidence.

Anglos raped Hong Kong. Hong Kongers now worship Anglos.
Japan raped Taiwan. Taiwanese now worship Japan.
US raped Japan. Japanese now worship Americans.

Japan raped China, and perhaps 1.4 billion Chinese would now be willing subjects of Japan if not for the CCP.
I believe the Soviets had similar experience when suppressing Islamist tribes during their Afghan campaign, with the abovementioned approach especially true when dealing with more patriarchal societies. Dominate them so bad that they're on their knees and begging, and a conciliatory gesture is taken as an act of mercy from a stronger, more worthy tribe.
They wouldn't suffer the shame of receiving the same gesture if they were in a position of strength.

Looking at East Asia, Japan seems to fit that bill nicely...
 

siegecrossbow

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If China and Taiwan gets into a war, Asians (especially Chinese) living in the west will be treated far worse than what's happening to Russians now. As the US economy declines and living standards drop, the US govt will be looking to create conflicts elsewhere to distract the populace. And China is the biggest scapegoat after Russia. I hope it doesn't come to that but current geopolitical environment is becoming more turbulent..

Overseas Asians already are treated far worse than what's happening to Russians right now. I don't recall any Russians getting beaten to death in the streets.
 
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