Lessons for China to learn from Ukraine conflict for Taiwan scenario

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tphuang

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What are people's thoughts on this? I feel @Patchwork_Chimera would argue about these calculations:

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He doesn't seem to understand the planning required to sustain attack operations. He also doesn't seem to understand DF-17 is likely the main hypersonic threat facing US Navy and that's a lot harder to intercept.

He doesn't even realize that JASSM-XR is a lot heavier than the regular one.

IIRC, Patch mentionned that with 3 carriers, the US air wing can launch 120 missiles per salvo (I could be entirely wrong here, Patch, don't kill me). You would also need escorts, refueling aircraft and AWACS along the way. Not every aircraft is going to be ready to go at any moment. Planning strike missions without giving away clue that you are coming is not easy.
 

Gloire_bb

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USN subs are the best in the world. Anyone who tells you otherwise do not know what they are talking about.

Russian boomers get trailed by USN subs as soon as they leave their port. That includes Borei class
With subs being best or not - it's complicated. Just as there is no such thing as the best car - the same is applicable to subs. Virginia is 50% larger than french Barracuda, and is almost half as small as Yasen. This alone must tell a thing or two that those boats aren't exactly about the same, and there may be differences.
Especially now, when mainstream US class sub is, while advanced, - is both metrically mediocre and specifically built as a good enough class.

Moreover, out of 4 other major SSN design houses, at least 3 are capable of building a ~Virginia analog more or less off the shelf. Harder to tell about China, not because it's incapable, but because we don't really know enough to say for certain.

US, however, maintains such thing as the most capable (overall) sub force - but in this case, it's a simple matter of the size of the (actual) force and the related/supporting forces.

Russian boomers do indeed get trailed off bases - but not because of subs qualities, they're perfectly silent.
The main culprit is the negligible state of Russian inshore ASW. When out in the sea, as far as we know, Russian boomers tend to get off lash well enough. And, for the matter, Ohios were trailed by Soviet/Russian(hah) subs in 80-90s, too - to the point of turtling into their own 'bastions'. Maybe later, too, they don't really talk about such stuff without a couple of decades of time lag.

Whatever the case - the point is that Russia can indeed provide a 3rd party with the capability to start building modern/prospective hunter-killer boats. With some downsides - sure. With some advantages, too. Moreover, due to still having several design houses capable of designing a submarine - it probably still can do so with a reasonable level of keeping its own boats behind the veil.
 

manqiangrexue

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Can you tell me in whose national currency these debts are denominated?
Damn, you suck at math. Those are percentages of GDP; they don't have a unit measure in currency because they are percentages. That's like someone said the boy is half the height of his father and you asked, "In inches or cm?" LOL National debt is denominated in the native currency of whichever country you're talking about. For ease of comparison, they were converted to nominal GDP in USD so you don't have a chart with 85 nations and debt and GDP in 85 currencies making it impossible to cross-compare size without extensive currency conversion knowledge. You didn't think that the Chinese government owes debt to Chinese enterprises in USD, did you?
 

gelgoog

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Russian ISR is not that good. That's all you need to know. Doesn't matter the range if you shoot backwards half the time.
Russia is supposed to be building its own modern equivalent of SOSUS in the Arctic using SHELF. That is probably one of the reasons for building submarines like the Belgorod in the first place. It is not all about carrying Poseidon submarines.
 

bebops

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does China has anti-submarine plane on the same level as poseidon 8? or is poseidon 8 so advanced that it has no equivalent in this world yet?
 

gelgoog

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China has ASW versions of the Y-8.

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Gloire_bb

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does China has anti-submarine plane on the same level as poseidon 8? or is poseidon 8 so advanced that it has no equivalent in this world yet?
P-8 arguably isn't even the most capable ASW asset right now - thou it's debatable.

But Russian patrol/asw aircraft are beyond redemption. Just a few inadequate upgraded ASW planes Russia can't produce(IL-38N) anymore due to sanctions - everything else is more towards NK-level floating/flying museums category.
The situation is beyond disastrous... but it isn't unique to planes.

It's certainly fascinating how Russian political/military leadership can invest so much into boomers and advanced SSGNs when they can be literally denied any access to the seas.

Oddly enough, the helicopter situation is better.
 

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P-8 arguably isn't even the most capable ASW asset right now - thou it's debatable.

But Russian patrol/asw aircraft are beyond redemption. Just a few inadequate upgraded ASW planes Russia can't produce anymore due to sanctions - everything else is more towards NK-level floating museums category.

It's certainly fascinating how Russian political/military leadership can invest so much into boomers and advanced SSGNs when they can be literally denied any access to the seas.
Sounds like Russia could use some non-lethal aids in this regard.
 
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