Not only that, but also exclusion of Chinese citizens from major international events in sports, music, etc... basically complete isolation.
Lessons for China to learn from Ukraine conflict for Taiwan scenario
- Thread starter tphuang
- Start date
- Status
I've often wondered why the West does this; it's extremely immature and petty and does them no favours, not to ordinary Russians nor to ordinary Chinese who can see the writing on the wall.
This is 100% true. Both China and Russia are actually restrained countries in use of force, but in different ways.
China is reluctant to start using force, like a wise old dragon is slow to anger and patient with mortals. But when the old dragon is angered it shakes the earth and won't stop until the blasphemers are cowering.
Russia is not as reluctant to use force, just like a bear. the bear will use as much force as needed to get that honey, but no more, and they are relatively harmless as long as you don't poke it.
ICANN does not own and control the internet. They cannot take any web site off of the internet. That will be up to the service providers: ISPs, host colos, cloud providers, etc.
ICANN maintains the root copy (aka a replica) of the domain name database, i.e. the mappings between domain names and their IP addresses. This is the so-called DNS root server. ICANN can delete entries from their database to stop resolving the deleted domain names to IP addresses. But it will take time to propagate the deletions to all the replicas all over the world.
Technically, a site can work without name resolution as long as it has a valid public IP address. Such IP addresses are usually assigned by the ISP or the host colo that connects the "last mile" with the site. For most sizable web sites, going IP only won't be easy but doable. To completely kill a site, the ISP or the colo will need to block that IP or even unplug the cable.
Same goes for the backbone connections between countries.
To cut China off of the internet will be like to blockage all trade routes to China.
I will expand on my previous post since seems like a lot of you guys wanna do some "light attack".
Based on learning from Ukraine Russia war so far, Taiwan will probably do the same strategy. Start handing out guns to everyone and west will also do the same shit, make it as painful as possible regardless if china tried to avoid casualties or not like Russia is trying to do.
The best option like I said is to go hard and fast, don't let them have the time to keep riling others up for sympathy and do endless anti china propaganda. It will be endless and on a far worse scale than Russia, Russia is at least white and is not a peer competitor like china is that usa would pull out all the stops for.
Take a page out of Israel's book. Drop leaflets like I said, and give ultimatum. If you don't surrender by X date(few days), china is gonna flatten everything. Like I said, allow a safe zone and tell everyone who is innocent civilian to go there, and whoever doesn't go will be assumed as a hostile and fair game. Of course this will be after china has already secured landing and safe zone, or it can even be before, china just needs to do propaganda and if Taiwan does not allow neutral zone or civilians to leave, then broadcast to everyone that Taiwan is using human shields.
This is exactly Israel's tactic. They know how bloody urban combat can be, and civilian deaths will be high as fuck, along with Chinese soldiers casualties and losses will also be high just like russias. That is all unnecessary. I don't see anything wrong with this plan from both military sense or moral sense. China is really trying to prevent innocent casualties.
Best would also be a false flag attack to justify the invasion(even if Taiwan does declare independence or usa troop's, they will just spin it as aggression). China just needs to blow up some empty shoppimg center and pile the propaganda on hard and fast.
The common factor in all this is controlling the narrative, and dictating the game and rules. Pre empt all usa and wests counter propaganda before they can even make it. If they criticize china for leaflets, they criticizing themselves and Israel. Go hard and fast calling out Taiwan for using human shields and not allowing innocents to go safe zone. Make public china's offer to setup a safe zone. If it doesn't happen it's all on Taiwan.
Then flatten whatever is left and end it as fast as possible before west even knows what's going on and can organize or rally.
This is exactly china's style based on past wars and offensives. Hit hard and fast, declare victory in less than a month. Like sun tzu said, no one ever benefited from protracted warfare. Going soft and half assed in some misguided attempt to reduce casualties will just have the opposite effect, and more casualties for both sides imo. Of course the option for surrender will always be open at all times. Starting from blockade, to the countdown to end of SafeZone. After that they've had their chance and if china's going to actually attack it should not hold back and have sympathy etc. Anyone remaining is hostile. Having sympathy and half assed will only ruin your own morale and make china look weak and not justified in the world's eyes. Like whats happening to Russia currently.
Based on learning from Ukraine Russia war so far, Taiwan will probably do the same strategy. Start handing out guns to everyone and west will also do the same shit, make it as painful as possible regardless if china tried to avoid casualties or not like Russia is trying to do.
The best option like I said is to go hard and fast, don't let them have the time to keep riling others up for sympathy and do endless anti china propaganda. It will be endless and on a far worse scale than Russia, Russia is at least white and is not a peer competitor like china is that usa would pull out all the stops for.
Take a page out of Israel's book. Drop leaflets like I said, and give ultimatum. If you don't surrender by X date(few days), china is gonna flatten everything. Like I said, allow a safe zone and tell everyone who is innocent civilian to go there, and whoever doesn't go will be assumed as a hostile and fair game. Of course this will be after china has already secured landing and safe zone, or it can even be before, china just needs to do propaganda and if Taiwan does not allow neutral zone or civilians to leave, then broadcast to everyone that Taiwan is using human shields.
This is exactly Israel's tactic. They know how bloody urban combat can be, and civilian deaths will be high as fuck, along with Chinese soldiers casualties and losses will also be high just like russias. That is all unnecessary. I don't see anything wrong with this plan from both military sense or moral sense. China is really trying to prevent innocent casualties.
Best would also be a false flag attack to justify the invasion(even if Taiwan does declare independence or usa troop's, they will just spin it as aggression). China just needs to blow up some empty shoppimg center and pile the propaganda on hard and fast.
The common factor in all this is controlling the narrative, and dictating the game and rules. Pre empt all usa and wests counter propaganda before they can even make it. If they criticize china for leaflets, they criticizing themselves and Israel. Go hard and fast calling out Taiwan for using human shields and not allowing innocents to go safe zone. Make public china's offer to setup a safe zone. If it doesn't happen it's all on Taiwan.
Then flatten whatever is left and end it as fast as possible before west even knows what's going on and can organize or rally.
This is exactly china's style based on past wars and offensives. Hit hard and fast, declare victory in less than a month. Like sun tzu said, no one ever benefited from protracted warfare. Going soft and half assed in some misguided attempt to reduce casualties will just have the opposite effect, and more casualties for both sides imo. Of course the option for surrender will always be open at all times. Starting from blockade, to the countdown to end of SafeZone. After that they've had their chance and if china's going to actually attack it should not hold back and have sympathy etc. Anyone remaining is hostile. Having sympathy and half assed will only ruin your own morale and make china look weak and not justified in the world's eyes. Like whats happening to Russia currently.
They are not doing this to harm Russia , they are doing this so people would vote for them, as for Russia, those people who work abroad could be the most westernized individuals , any sanction against them just make ordinary russians more anti-west .
Bashing your allies is never an good idea,I used to believe that , this is a US-only issue cuz they don’t have a serious history , turns out I’m deadly wrong, stupidity as a disease, spread faster than I could ever think.
Completely agreed. RUS treated UKR like fellow Slavs yet UKR are fighting like Nazi Germans. CHN should not make that mistake with TW. That is why Russian morale was low at the start - they thought it was just gonna be a special ops mission to arrest Zelensky and Ukrainians would surrender because to Russians it'd be just like "meet new boss, same as old boss". But no, they've been brainwashed by fascism and radlibs. They're basically the same as ISIS.
When Putin accused UKR of being Nazi he needed to play their proof of UKR fascism on TV 24/7. The #1 thing CHN needs to do is portray TWnese as Nazis and fascists worshipping Imperial Japan. This isn't really hard when their President Lee Teng Hui was a Lieutenant in the Imperial Japanese Army. Just screenshot their actual social media comments and paste it all over Weibo for years on end.
Then, there will be no hesitation. "You aren't fighting with fellow Chinese. You are fighting to remove the last remnants of imperial Japanese fascists from the part of China they still occupy."
Probably not well enough. They would need to keep training in these area. I'd be curious to see if their Taiwan ADIZ incursions are all day time or also at night time. Ideally, it would be good to see massive coordinated exercises in both day and night time.
remember, Taiwan air defense is a lot better than Ukraine. PLA consider Ukraine to be an easy task that Russia bungled spectacularly by under planning and expecting Ukraine to just give up.
So what does that tell you? PLA might be ready for a takeover over Taiwan in a few years, but China is not from economical or industrial point of view. There is a long list of things they need to fix up first starting with dramatically reducing their foreign reserves holding, adding a lot of gold reserve and doing the long list of things needed to make RMB a competitive alternative option as reserve currency. And getting supply chain to all the important stuff in house. If they want to make themselves "sanction proof", then sanctions will have to hurt the other side as much as them.
US is not bound by any treaty to defend Ukraine. That's why it said from the start that it will not put troop on the ground in Ukraine. That was before any nuclear threat. People love to bring up nuclear on this forum, when there are a whole bunch of easily explainable reasons. Fix the easy stuff first and then address nuclear. That's why I asked, please do not bring up nuclear. There are other threads for this. Perfectly good discussions get derailed by nuclear talk.
I can tell you PLA is watching this conflict very closely and doing a check list of things they need to do and not to do from the Russian incompetence.
Yes, you don't attack US bases right away. You'd declare war on Taiwan and get confirmation with US military that they are getting involved before you start attacking. They have hot lines. They will tell each other if they are about to get into war.
Taiwan can hand guns to everyone. That's where cutting communication is important. That's why doing massive strikes to a level not seen in Ukraine thus far matters. Taiwan gov't cannot possibly get people to fight if they have no access to information or electricity or if PLA can control the air wave.
Imo look at Vietnam war(vs china). I'm not a historian and this is just my general understanding and guess, but thats what can happen when you half ass shit, don't have clear objectives, and have sympathy for your enemy, trying to use military means to force political outcomes without having achieved total victory or surrender(aka no leverage). It ain't gonna happen. People don't fold that easily until they see the coffin. Same as what happened to usa and it's wars in Vietnam, Afghanistan, or even Korea. Usa could have possibly won if they were completely committed and used all their firepower, but they were handicapped by not having clear mission and no clear moral justification(killing people and doing genocide just because they choose communism is not moral justification no matter what propaganda and spin they use).
Even though they bombed the fuck outta vn and agent orange, deep in their hearts they knew it was bs just like their wars in middle east. Morale and morals matters. The longer it drags out the more the aggressor looks like a bad guy imo. The more civilian casualties the more confused and reluctant the army will become. And when you reach such a stage you will have to either go full on and just do what I said anyway (but this time you look more like a hypocrite and have less consistency and resolve), or you pack your bags and go home, and pretend you "won" because you got a higher body count(like when usa lost Vietnam war).
Just the fact that usa has lasted so long and did so much damage(and is still doing it while still holding moral high ground in the western world's and their own peoples eyes) shows just how powerful usas propaganda and brainwashing game was and still is, especially for their own soldiers. They can go in again and again and do endless war crimes and get away with it precisely because of their propaganda and narrative game. And their enemies complete lack of such a game. Before china even thinks about using force in future it needs to be a peer of usa or even superior. Otherwise china will take much more damage than it needs to. I mean Russia is losing is so bad, that it makes other countries send endless weapons, do endless sanctions, etc. They are taking it from every direction. Just imagine how bad it would be for china today. We have done nothing and they are already bashing, stabbing, killing Chinese and Asians on the streets in usa and west already. Well all be in concentration camps basically the day after china attacks Taiwan. These are the things china needs to think about and counter before usa can even think about doing it. It's like why usa kept doing nonstop propaganda saying Russia will invade for weeks before they did. Usa was softening up public opinion and getting them buttered up and all ready to sanction and do this and that the instant Russia made it's move. You can say that in this information social media age, having control over narrative and powerful propaganda game is just as powerful as nukes, if not more since nukes cannot even be used offensively and only used as defense as deterrent..
But yeah, I digress. Back to china/taiwan and war.
Defending against aggressor automatically gives you massive moral edge and massive morale boost. Which is why china needs to take this into account and make sure it's propaganda game is top notch and why china needs to make everyone (including own soldiers) beleive that anyone left over and not in safe zone is an enemy combatant and they deserve everything coming their way.
Half assign with no clear timeline, no clear objectives, no clear enemy, with Chinese soldiers showing restraint and sympathy to the enemy is disastrous and will only result in even more casualties on all sides in the long run.
Even though they bombed the fuck outta vn and agent orange, deep in their hearts they knew it was bs just like their wars in middle east. Morale and morals matters. The longer it drags out the more the aggressor looks like a bad guy imo. The more civilian casualties the more confused and reluctant the army will become. And when you reach such a stage you will have to either go full on and just do what I said anyway (but this time you look more like a hypocrite and have less consistency and resolve), or you pack your bags and go home, and pretend you "won" because you got a higher body count(like when usa lost Vietnam war).
Just the fact that usa has lasted so long and did so much damage(and is still doing it while still holding moral high ground in the western world's and their own peoples eyes) shows just how powerful usas propaganda and brainwashing game was and still is, especially for their own soldiers. They can go in again and again and do endless war crimes and get away with it precisely because of their propaganda and narrative game. And their enemies complete lack of such a game. Before china even thinks about using force in future it needs to be a peer of usa or even superior. Otherwise china will take much more damage than it needs to. I mean Russia is losing is so bad, that it makes other countries send endless weapons, do endless sanctions, etc. They are taking it from every direction. Just imagine how bad it would be for china today. We have done nothing and they are already bashing, stabbing, killing Chinese and Asians on the streets in usa and west already. Well all be in concentration camps basically the day after china attacks Taiwan. These are the things china needs to think about and counter before usa can even think about doing it. It's like why usa kept doing nonstop propaganda saying Russia will invade for weeks before they did. Usa was softening up public opinion and getting them buttered up and all ready to sanction and do this and that the instant Russia made it's move. You can say that in this information social media age, having control over narrative and powerful propaganda game is just as powerful as nukes, if not more since nukes cannot even be used offensively and only used as defense as deterrent..
But yeah, I digress. Back to china/taiwan and war.
Defending against aggressor automatically gives you massive moral edge and massive morale boost. Which is why china needs to take this into account and make sure it's propaganda game is top notch and why china needs to make everyone (including own soldiers) beleive that anyone left over and not in safe zone is an enemy combatant and they deserve everything coming their way.
Half assign with no clear timeline, no clear objectives, no clear enemy, with Chinese soldiers showing restraint and sympathy to the enemy is disastrous and will only result in even more casualties on all sides in the long run.
- Status