Your mate there can't differentiate insults and factual descriptions not too surprising for someone who can't tell defeat or the lack of it apart.
Ladakh Flash Point
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Do you agree with your earlier statements that it's indians that are more often transgressed into the contested LAC or not?? If indians are doing it 10 times, china is doing it 3-4 times, and now the new condition that NOONE should patrol within the buffer zones, who's getting more benefits at the end of the day?
China doesn't need to constantly patrol like what you did since again, we have better logistics, deployment, and ramping up infrastructure. Roads to finger 4 has been there for decades, and you can see it already how easy it is for China to just take control of the area in f4-f8 despite you having much closer camp distance that you oh so proudly brag about in finger 3 and near pp14; these camps certainly don't do anything to help indians in the conflict, weird huh? As if your argument about camp distance is meaningless in the modern era where few hundred meters is just mere seconds away..
But for right now, China is going easy on you, we could've easily keep control of all the territory that have been occupied throughout the skirmish and mobilization. That would've been an overwhelming win for china, but settling for a slight win with the buffer zones is deemed enough for now, since things are predicted to heat up on the other front.
Lol so many people here are seriously confused. I have already showed images of permanent infrastructure built in the galwan valley and on the mouth(THe PLA claim lines include the mouth btw) such as bridges, culverts, permanent camps, roads and even tracks going up the heights. That show India has a permanent presence in the Galwan Valley and Mouth. And if China doesn't claim up to the SHoyk, why did it object to Indian ridges and camps in the area? China's own embassy's statment destroys the narrative of Chinese posteres claiming a victory
It clearly says "Galwan estuary. Yet India still ahs permanent camps and infrastructure in the vallwy and estuary. China failed to force Indians out of the valley with its pp14 mobilization, and had to retreat from pp14 itself. And patrolling is a tactical op- tactics is simply a way to acheive a goal. Along the LAC, India and CHina patrol in order to control areas where it is not feasible to occupy. THe same people who do not know the difference between tactics and strategy are screaming about a Chinese victory lol. Because India MIGHT have patrolled up to finger 8 a couple times a decadem, that means India controlled up to Finger 8? Whereaas China had been regularly patroling and building infrastructure since 2000, yet finger 4-8 has always been a de-fact part of India lol. WHatever it takes to cope with China's retreat I guess.
As for Gogra and Hot springs, China failed to cross the lac, let alone reach its 1959 claim line. Nobody has even posted any evidence suggesting that, becasue there is none.
The facts are, China decided to expand its claim lines in Galwan, Gogra and other sectors, and sobjected to Indian camps, patrols, and infrastructure in those areas. TO enforce those claims, PLA mobilized very close or slightly across the lac, forcing India to to a mirror deployment. The result?
China failed to reach its claims in any of those sectors.
India has camps in infrastructure in areas China claims, whereas China had to dismantle all of its camps and infrastructure in Pangong Tso.
DSDBO is secured
Even if India lost som patrolling access, China lost even more. For India, denial of Chinese patrols and uildup has always been more important that conducting patrols itself.
So as a result, China gained nothing. The fact that some memers here have to twist intentionally disambiguous Government statements and post a select few anti-modi anlalysts shows that. But keep screaming Chinese victory to help you cope.
It clearly says "Galwan estuary. Yet India still ahs permanent camps and infrastructure in the vallwy and estuary. China failed to force Indians out of the valley with its pp14 mobilization, and had to retreat from pp14 itself. And patrolling is a tactical op- tactics is simply a way to acheive a goal. Along the LAC, India and CHina patrol in order to control areas where it is not feasible to occupy. THe same people who do not know the difference between tactics and strategy are screaming about a Chinese victory lol. Because India MIGHT have patrolled up to finger 8 a couple times a decadem, that means India controlled up to Finger 8? Whereaas China had been regularly patroling and building infrastructure since 2000, yet finger 4-8 has always been a de-fact part of India lol. WHatever it takes to cope with China's retreat I guess.
As for Gogra and Hot springs, China failed to cross the lac, let alone reach its 1959 claim line. Nobody has even posted any evidence suggesting that, becasue there is none.
The facts are, China decided to expand its claim lines in Galwan, Gogra and other sectors, and sobjected to Indian camps, patrols, and infrastructure in those areas. TO enforce those claims, PLA mobilized very close or slightly across the lac, forcing India to to a mirror deployment. The result?
China failed to reach its claims in any of those sectors.
India has camps in infrastructure in areas China claims, whereas China had to dismantle all of its camps and infrastructure in Pangong Tso.
DSDBO is secured
Even if India lost som patrolling access, China lost even more. For India, denial of Chinese patrols and uildup has always been more important that conducting patrols itself.
So as a result, China gained nothing. The fact that some memers here have to twist intentionally disambiguous Government statements and post a select few anti-modi anlalysts shows that. But keep screaming Chinese victory to help you cope.
You @twineedle really love putting words into someone else's mouth, don't you?
Galwan mouth has never been mentioned even once in that link you post, nor any other mentions from the official. The estuary is pretty self-explanatory, which is the river separating between the small patch of land on the indian side, and the pp14, which china claimed. You can keep dreaming by putting this unrealistic burden for china as if china is the one who started the incident or is the one claiming its LAC line way farther that it actually claims, making it as if china fails to reach its objective whereas it has never been the case.
If you're not a lying weasel and actually read the link you posted you should've known what it means with the estuary. The article basically describes the 22 May satellite photo, where it's shown how your camp is built right on top of the pp14, across the river, aka the estuary. Find me a single link talking about the mouth, you really can't. All of your satellite photos also put china's LAC at the pp14, NOT galwan mouth.
How is this indian seem so adamant in giving his own territory to us LOL, and he then bragging on how china doesn't take it = china losing against india??? But hey, if you want china's claim to be MORE than it actually claims to be, then be my guess and see you next time, then. As I said, right now we're content with the small wins that we have.
Galwan mouth has never been mentioned even once in that link you post, nor any other mentions from the official. The estuary is pretty self-explanatory, which is the river separating between the small patch of land on the indian side, and the pp14, which china claimed. You can keep dreaming by putting this unrealistic burden for china as if china is the one who started the incident or is the one claiming its LAC line way farther that it actually claims, making it as if china fails to reach its objective whereas it has never been the case.
If you're not a lying weasel and actually read the link you posted you should've known what it means with the estuary. The article basically describes the 22 May satellite photo, where it's shown how your camp is built right on top of the pp14, across the river, aka the estuary. Find me a single link talking about the mouth, you really can't. All of your satellite photos also put china's LAC at the pp14, NOT galwan mouth.
How is this indian seem so adamant in giving his own territory to us LOL, and he then bragging on how china doesn't take it = china losing against india??? But hey, if you want china's claim to be MORE than it actually claims to be, then be my guess and see you next time, then. As I said, right now we're content with the small wins that we have.
Even ignoring the temporary patrolling outpost 5oo meters away, This image also shows a permanent camp about 1.5 km away
That is not what estuary means. An estuary is where a river meets a bigger body of water, typically the sea but also a bigger river.
Pretty much every single chinese media, even your own satellite images, put china's LAC in the pp14. How do you get the idea that china wants to invade all the way into the river mouth? This statement is false simply because it's you who started the incident, as written in the link that you yourself put?
If china does want to invade and change the LAC, why is india the one who take the initiative and intrude to pp14, as shown with the written statement and the satellite images?
All China asked in the statement is to empty the area between the mouth and pp14, which as you again posted here, have been done by your side. How's that a lose for china, manage to ask you to empty part of your own area? You see a pattern here? Buffer zones includes indians emptying f3-f4, galwan valley includes you emptying mouth to patch of land near pp14. Classic india, 'winning' by vacating it's own territory at china's behest lmao.
Notice the 2 paragraphs from the embassy' statement
"In order to ease the situation, China and India have stayed in close communication through military and diplomatic channels. In response to the strong demand of the Chinese side, India agreed to withdraw the personnel who crossed the LAC and demolish the facilities, and so they did. On June 6, the border troops of both countries held a commander-level meeting and reached consensus on easing the situation. The Indian side promised that they would not cross the estuary of the Galwan river to patrol and build facilities and the two sides would discuss and decide phased withdrawal of troops through the meetings between commanders on the ground.
Shockingly, on the evening of June 15, India's front-line troops, in violation of the agreement reached at the commander-level meeting, once again crossed the Line of Actual Control for deliberate provocation when the situation in the Galwan Valley was already easing, and even violently attacked the Chinese officers and soldiers who went there for negotiation, thus triggering fierce physical conflicts and causing casualties. The adventurous acts of the Indian army have seriously undermined the stability of the border areas, threatened the lives of Chinese personnel, violated the agreements reached between the two countries on the border issue, and breached the basic norms governing international relations. China has lodged solemn representations and strong protests to the Indian side."
Notice how there's a distinction between crossing the LAC, aka crossing into pp14, and crossing the estuary? Of course not, since you don't read the whole thing and just want to make up your own narrative.
"In order to ease the situation, China and India have stayed in close communication through military and diplomatic channels. In response to the strong demand of the Chinese side, India agreed to withdraw the personnel who crossed the LAC and demolish the facilities, and so they did. On June 6, the border troops of both countries held a commander-level meeting and reached consensus on easing the situation. The Indian side promised that they would not cross the estuary of the Galwan river to patrol and build facilities and the two sides would discuss and decide phased withdrawal of troops through the meetings between commanders on the ground.
Shockingly, on the evening of June 15, India's front-line troops, in violation of the agreement reached at the commander-level meeting, once again crossed the Line of Actual Control for deliberate provocation when the situation in the Galwan Valley was already easing, and even violently attacked the Chinese officers and soldiers who went there for negotiation, thus triggering fierce physical conflicts and causing casualties. The adventurous acts of the Indian army have seriously undermined the stability of the border areas, threatened the lives of Chinese personnel, violated the agreements reached between the two countries on the border issue, and breached the basic norms governing international relations. China has lodged solemn representations and strong protests to the Indian side."
Notice how there's a distinction between crossing the LAC, aka crossing into pp14, and crossing the estuary? Of course not, since you don't read the whole thing and just want to make up your own narrative.
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