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twineedle said:
How has India been defeated when China retreated from occupied areas and restored status quo ante, just like India wanted. I never said India scored a COMPLETE victory. Just that I believe India got a COMPARTIVELY better deal, and provided facts and evidence to support my assertions that have been met with nothing but personal insults. Unless of course, you are denying thppat China destroyed all recent infrastructure it belt, retreated from those territories(f4-2, pp14, etc.) and agreed to stop patrolling up to its claim line. That is exactly what India had been asking for in the talks. Why are you so keen on presenting this as a Chinese victory?

As for the answer to your question- yes. If it means protecting Indian territory, securing strategic infrastructure, and preventing China from capturing Indian territory and enforcing new claim lines(all of which India succesfully did) than I guess that is what will have to be done. Obviously, it is much better if such standoffs are averted and no casualties are suffered on either side, but I there will unfortunately be more disputes.
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Bold 1: Better deal? You are insistent that India wanted all this from the beginning. India's actions however prove otherwise.

Bold 2: Personal insults? Where?

Bold 3: Mutual disengagement is the word. Creation of Buffer Zones.

Bold 4: Buffer Zones are a Chinese demand. Now that India acceded to it, you try to frame it as an Indian demand.

Bold 5: India however complaints of Chinese presence in certain patrol points. Not the things that a country which got everything it wanted would do.

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FaCts On tHe ground

Galwan
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1281829922168659969
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1280487994097426432

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1367491450812977157

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1276061645731594240
Pangong

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Just to clarifyl, it is impossible to capture territory when you retreat from your OWN side of the LAC
Gogra-hot springs
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1282727207819808773

Analysis by Foreign policy(since some people here are posting certain indian media sources)

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These images were mostly from the chinese side of the LAC, so if some are arguing India withdrew from its own territory, than by that logic, China is withdrawing more.
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Self-pleasing jingoists and the few Twitter Handles who does them fan service.

I ask everyone to look at the dates of each. Cross verify.

@twineedle is purposely engaging in Bhakt disinformation here.

The Disengagement agreement lays down the terms clearly.
 
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twineedle said:
When has China ever been ok with India patrolling, occupying, or building anything beyond finger 4? Everytime Indian soldiers went near there there have been clashes between Indian army and PLA, like that viral video in 2017 and the more recent videos of Indian and PLA soldiers staring each other down
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Bold 1: China has stopped Indians from proceeded in (on foot) Patrolling past point 2 since Galwan clash.

Tells about the strengths of the two sides.
 
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The mouth of the Galwan is where the Galwan flows into the Shyok. That is definitely west of the dotted line. In addition, before india's actions on August 29th,
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China managed to thwart India beyond the Galwan River valley. Whatever happens on the other banks of shyok is not of concern to China.
 
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The previous deal you mention would have allowed China to set up a permanent base on finger 4 or 5 that could potentially threaten Dhan Singh Thapa. So preventing China from building infrastructure was the number one priority. And why are you mentioning Galwan? That was resolved last July. And what makes you think VK singh's statment referred to Pangong? That was specifically ambiguous and could have meant anywhere in the LAC(I would assume parts of Sikkim APwhere India has a border) The fact that you are using intentially disambiguous words from VK SIngh and the Indian mod to try and override actual physical evidence discredits your narrative of Chinese victory.
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Bold 1 : China having better mobility till Point 4 threatens F2/3 (Dhan Singh whatever). It has always been so. China built the posts at F4 during the standoff. It can build it again.

Bold 2: It hasn't been resolved as per the agreement (according to you and your satellite image foreigner friend at Twitter).
 
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By going easy, China retreated from all land it occupied in the buffer zone, and agreed not to patrol or build in it, which it had been REGULARLY doing for years. Yes, that is "going easy."
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And India didn't. China created buffer zones. Thwarted Indian incursion into Galwan valley.

Stopped Indian patrols. Left India's DBO road vulnerable.

Easy.
 
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twineedle said:
So the only arguement to counter the satellite image from late july(not June) well after the disengagement, is that it COULD have been removed before winter? Sounds pretty desperate lol. So far, no evidence has been presented that India did not have a camp 500 meters from pp14. This is supported even more by the network of foot bridges over the river recently constructed by India in the disputed area, facilitating patrols.
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Bold 1: No. You are very poor at presenting your arguments. Frame it properly. In order to assert something, you need better standing evidences.

Your original claim is this

" India manages to patrol the region because India has a post 500m away. China can't because it's post is 800m away".


Reflect on how stupid that sounds.

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I was referring to Chinese claims, not Indian. By now you should no China's claims are well beyond the dotted line in many sectors. Has CHina reached those areas?

Simple question. Has india lost control of areas it previously controlled? By controlled, I mean had permanent bases and/or infrastructure? And by your logic, China is even further away from its claim line F(2) than India is from finger 8. The question is what exactly did China win? India still has camps and infrastructure in areas of galwan, Gogra Depsang that it claims, and the buffer zone in Pangong arguably benefits India since China had a much stronger control over the area since 1962. What exactly did India lose?
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Bold 1: India claims entirety of Aksai Chin. Has India achieved its claims?

Bold 2: Simple question. Has India been able to exert control over the areas it previously controlled? The answer is no. Otherwise there won't be Hot Springs, Gogra, Depsang and to a lesser extend Pangong Tso.


Bold 3 : China never had prominent permanent bases in these ambiguous zones either. Point?

Bold 4: The stupidest thing I've read this week.

Bold 5: Factually wrong.

Bold 6: India lost access to regions it patrolled. It got its incursion foiled. China gained time.

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twineedle said:
Ironic, because I have been posting facts in all of my posts, and have been rsponded to with mostly personal insults.
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Saying "I HAVE ALL THE FACTS!" over and over don't mean anything. What's despicable is you have some good rose tinted glasses that makes you cherry lick, distort and reach -

Ultimately, you aren't defending India. You are defending Modi party.

Oh poor you. Personal insults? Give me your account details over at Indian Defence Forum. Let's see what they've got regarding insults to the Chinese.
 
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