Ladakh Flash Point
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PLA is on Indian claims often, just that they stop Indian from asserting claims by stopping patrols.
Refer previous posts.
CCP disclosed PLA deaths as soon disengagement occurred. CCP says PLA lost 4 men, with most if not all of these four murdered in cold blood by IA.
Yeah this could potentially be it. It could also potentially be because PLA has yet to disengage along these areas. PLA not currently being right on top of the LAC as it was at Pangong, does not mean it isn't on any Indian claims. These claims run about 10km deep after all.
And what about the figures from/by the US-India side...?
This is the Wikipedia entry. Most of the sources are by Indian sources, still it gives a glimpse into the various takes.
The official Chinese release has been consistent and clear from the beginning - "Single Digit Casualties". China also released the pictures and names of the casualties (4 deaths and 1 severe injury).
I'd study the cited sources if I were you.
1. Disengagement means both sides moving away from each other. so there could be incomplete disengagement even if neither side violated the lac.
As per India, if China has artillery that it moved within a few km of the lac, that means disengagement is incomplete. That is what the problems India is referring to are. So according to India, disengagement is incomplete until China moves its artillery and temporary camps it has behind the lac back to depth areas. This actually began back in June, when China mpved some frontline troops back to this location.
2. As I already explained, India does not claim past the lac in Gogra hot springs. The only disputed area there is that bulge claimed by China. China has artillery guns about 3 km behind the lac near there.
For what it's worth a summary of what we have on the "alternative" contention points is that Indian government mentions there is still yet to be resolved "problems" at those areas.
Indian media is also occasionally reporting on these things. Of course always portraying China in poor light but whatever just look at the less obviously political talking points. All recent ones after Feb Indian MoD statement which mentioned problems, hint at problem being PLA still on Indian claims and not about building up troops behind disputes.
(yeah it's Pravin the anti-national right... like the 250 million anti- national indians who protested the farmer laws)
Indian media is also occasionally reporting on these things. Of course always portraying China in poor light but whatever just look at the less obviously political talking points. All recent ones after Feb Indian MoD statement which mentioned problems, hint at problem being PLA still on Indian claims and not about building up troops behind disputes.
(yeah it's Pravin the anti-national right... like the 250 million anti- national indians who protested the farmer laws)
Personally I think China's insistence on claims are far less reasonable than India's even though both have equal right to them since neither side, Tibetans or Nepalis have ever settled on this disputed stretch. It's a wasteland and utterly useless beyond some potentially important strategic posts and positioning that can be allowed for whichever side owns it.
Having said that, allowing this issue to become a wedge in relations do indicate how and what China thinks of India and vice versa. However, being so, sooooooo FAR away from China proper, it was China who could really have simply abandoned its claims and just let India have it. In terms of buffers, well China has plenty beyond plenty. Ceding and giving dispute to India in the past could have set a foundation for better relations but the CCP also felt India to be way too aggressive and arrogant to allow ceding (prior to 1962). It would be considered weakness by India and invite further trouble in future. This is probably the main reason why China's been insistent since the 50s and the border war.
Having said that, allowing this issue to become a wedge in relations do indicate how and what China thinks of India and vice versa. However, being so, sooooooo FAR away from China proper, it was China who could really have simply abandoned its claims and just let India have it. In terms of buffers, well China has plenty beyond plenty. Ceding and giving dispute to India in the past could have set a foundation for better relations but the CCP also felt India to be way too aggressive and arrogant to allow ceding (prior to 1962). It would be considered weakness by India and invite further trouble in future. This is probably the main reason why China's been insistent since the 50s and the border war.
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