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twineedle

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They don't use that verbiage. They don't need to.

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Tell me what other outstanding problems can need addressing if it isn't PLA still within Indian claims?

Explain how China's retreated from Pangong when it occupied it as forward position and moved back only after India agrees to stop patrolling F4 to F8 and retreat to behind F3. That's AS MUCH IF NOT MORE an Indian retreat (genuinely more because PLA never controlled F4 to F8).

Again PLA captured F4 to F8. It wasn't IA that captured it. PLA "retreated" once India agreed not to patrol F4 to F8 anymore and agreed to stay behind F3. Once that's done, there was no more point in PLA staying is there? Staying only welcomes confrontation and bad publicity internationally as China aggressive narrative can be accentuated. PLA left once India agreed to retreat. India is the one who claims F3 to F8 while China has always wanted to settle between F4 and F8 somewhere. The Chinese have kept the desires ambiguous for many reasons.
I have already shown a map of Indian and Chinese position, with regards to Chinese and Indian claims. There are no Chinese positions in Indian claimed areas. There is still a major Chinese buildup near the LAC. Do you not think India would want china to withdraw some of its artillery? The whole point of disengagement is creating distance to lower teh chances of Galwan like incidents happening.
 

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Again, this is how the area looks, with Indian and Chinese positions as well as claim lines.
Where are the Indian claimed areas occupied by China? If anything, there are only CHina claimed areas occupied by India.
 

twineedle

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In addition, here is the exact location of Gogra post on google maps. Yet no Chinese constructions anywhere on the Indian side of the LAC. Despite the fact google clearly showed all of China's infrastructure on Pangong.
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ougoah

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I have already shown a map of Indian and Chinese position, with regards to Chinese and Indian claims. There are no Chinese positions in Indian claimed areas. There is still a major Chinese buildup near the LAC. Do you not think India would want china to withdraw some of its artillery? The whole point of disengagement is creating distance to lower teh chances of Galwan like incidents happening.

You have not done this. You have shown random garbage and made huge claims on those.

Follow these instructions to provide actual evidence of your claims.

1. Show me a map of Chinese claims. Prove this is accurate.
2. Show me a map of Indian claims. Prove this is accurate.
3. Show me dated satellite image (with dates showing as part of the image and not overlayed) of contention points.

You realise that PLA could be on Indian claims without new satellite footage showing right? You don't own up to date satellite images in real time. You just use random out of context images showing only one square of maybe 10km^2 and then using that singular thing to suggest the 100km^2 picture lol. I don't even know where to begin with you but it's all been written.
 

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twineedle

How upper caste indians treat low caste indians.

WOW


Just WOW

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When John Doe indicated to Cisco's human resources team that he wanted to file a complaint, he was allegedly told by the department that "caste discrimination was not unlawful". Soon after, John Doe found himself demoted from his lead role on two projects. The lawsuit says that for two years, Iyer waged a sustained onslaught against John Doe's career. He isolated him, didn't give him any bonuses, and thwarted any chances for promotion.

Then, in a tragic double-whammy, Iyer was replaced by Ramana Kompella, also an upper caste engineer, who in a not-so-remarkable
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Sad, sad to be an indian.

twineedle are you reading this?

You seem not to care about your countrymen but your worthless pride that just got destroyed by the Chinese again.


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ougoah

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Again, this is how the area looks, with Indian and Chinese positions as well as claim lines.
Where are the Indian claimed areas occupied by China? If anything, there are only CHina claimed areas occupied by India

look look look

India lost as proven jeeze. lol

India has moved really far back as claimed by Pakistani OSINT and Ukrainian super spies.

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twineedle

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You have not done this. You have shown random garbage and made huge claims on those.

Follow these instructions to provide actual evidence of your claims.

1. Show me a map of Chinese claims. Prove this is accurate.
2. Show me a map of Indian claims. Prove this is accurate.
3. Show me dated satellite image (with dates showing as part of the image and not overlayed) of contention points.

You realise that PLA could be on Indian claims without new satellite footage showing right? You don't own up to date satellite images in real time. You just use random out of context images showing only one square of maybe 10km^2 and then using that singular thing to suggest the 100km^2 picture lol. I don't even know where to begin with you but it's all been written.
you are the ones making the claims. the burden of proof is on you. Yes PLA could be on Indian claims. And Indian troops could be in Aksai Chin. See how that logic works? And shouldn't you know your own country's claims? Sad that the only evidence you have for your claims is a purposefully ambiguous Indian government document lol
 

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In addition, here is the exact location of Gogra post Yet no Chinese constructions anywhere on the Indian side of the LAC. Despite the fact google clearly showed all of China's infrastructure on Pangong.
Denial of Patrols are the issues at PP15 and PP17A. China's mechanized infantry units, and post nearby PP19 with Artillery units just behind provide backup for forward troop deployments that stop patrols.

Discussed in the thread prior. Refer past posts.
 
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ougoah

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you are the ones making the claims. the burden of proof is on you. Yes PLA could be on Indian claims. And Indian troops could be in Aksai Chin. See how that logic works? And shouldn't you know your own country's claims? Sad that the only evidence you have for your claims is a purposefully ambiguous Indian government document lol

Well India's own government says there are problems in gogra depsang and hot springs with regards to PLA. If PLA is behind India's claims, there is no problem. There is a problem because PLA is still giving India problems at the moment. Whether this will become a new point of disengagement remains to be seen.

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twineedle

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Well India's own government says there are problems in gogra depsang and hot springs with regards to PLA. If PLA is behind India's claims, there is no problem. There is a problem because PLA is giving India problems.
You yourself said China viewed Indian buildup behind finger 4 as a problem. Well the same thing applies here.

After preventing China from changing the status quo in Gogra-hot springs and reaching its claim lines. India will make sure China pulls back all the infrastructure it mobilized towards the lac.
 
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