Bold all : no one has asserted these.
You assert that China do so and so and then proceed to say that China failed to do these and hence build a China "fail" narrative.
Refer previous posts.
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You assert that China do so and so and then proceed to say that China failed to do these and hence build a China "fail" narrative.
Refer previous posts.
Already discussed in previous posts, regarding patrol obstructions and Chinese post placements.
Let's assume India occasionally patrolled f4-f8(a claim that is still unproven) Patrolling occasionally does not mean control. You control by either pysically occupying land with your own feet or by building infrastructure. India did neither, whereas China occupied that area since after 1962. By your logic, china controlled up to finger 2 because it patrolled there.
And when did VK Singh refer to Pangong? There are dozens of areas where India has a tactical advantage it could use to violate the lac, Pangong, and most of ladakh, is not among them.
Are you serious? This is from June 2020.
the claims of disengagement around those points from June 2020 were hypothetising. We now live in March 2021. We already know if their hypothesis were accurate and insightful. Turns out they were neither. Because PLA went in >10km and then moved back 1km or whatever but still occupy Indian claims otherwise how to you explain these from Feb and March 2021??
NO updates from Indian military as of yet or gov and this was issued around Feb 14th.
Also this article from March 2021.
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Doesn't discuss anything new and don't address the issues at the region. obfuscation at best
Well it is proven because LAC lies between F4 and F8 and VK Singh is on record saying that India patrolled past LAC far more frequently than China has and he also said that India ingressed far more. India claims to F8. India patrols its claims. Logically and given the source, India has in the past patrolled F4 to F8.
Patrolling doesn't mean control and I never said that. But China was certainly wanting India to stop patrols. The Indians have now.
Read our posts. Our posts address all your points but you literally repeat them and offer no real proof of anything beyond India has build two small tiny insignificant footbridges somewhere. And in June 2020, PLA vacated a flooded river bank. Where the PLA went is anyone's guess but fact remains that India officially is in talks with China to ask PLA to vacate Indian claims in depsang, gogra, hot springs until today. This is confirmed by India's government and media on both sides.
Oh and continued spamming of debunked nonsense and obfuscation with satellite images with random lines drawn and ridiculously conclusive statements made from out of date, random satellite images showing really nothing and occassionally some dots. No idea where exactly on the map these are, where in relation to claims and troop movements, and nothing to suggest where troops have gone. Somehow a few random dots moving in and out of a satellite image means PLA went back 20km.
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Has been discussed to death.
No region patrolled by a foreign force can be said to be sovereign territory.
At this point you are not making sense. When did the MOD Specifically say China has violated India's claims in Gogra and hot springs? In that exact verbiage. Yes there is a problem, but there can be problems eve if both sides are on their respective side of the LAC.
Ho do you explain the fact that Detresfa's image shows the exact same positions as Abhijit Iyer? But then you can't claim a victory in Gogra to cope with China's retreat from Pangong.
And where did you here claims of PLA entering 10 km in Gogra? You are pulling stuff out of your arse. Even Ajai Shukla never claimed that.
To patrol is to claim and assert.
Bold last : disengagement is mutual retreat or No retreat. You pick.
They don't use that verbiage. They don't need to.
Tell me what other outstanding problems can need addressing if it isn't PLA still within Indian claims?
Explain how China's retreated from Pangong when it occupied it as forward position and moved back only after India agrees to stop patrolling F4 to F8 and retreat to behind F3. That's AS MUCH IF NOT MORE an Indian retreat (genuinely more because PLA never controlled F4 to F8).
Again PLA captured F4 to F8. It wasn't IA that captured it. PLA "retreated" once India agreed not to patrol F4 to F8 anymore and agreed to stay behind F3. Once that's done, there was no more point in PLA staying is there? Staying only welcomes confrontation and bad publicity internationally as China aggressive narrative can be accentuated. PLA left once India agreed to retreat. India is the one who claims F3 to F8 while China has always wanted to settle between F4 and F8 somewhere. The Chinese have kept the desires ambiguous for many reasons.
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