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twineedle

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Exactly what point/position are these on? Can you prove both the map corresponding points with these images AND then prove that these are well within China's claims? From maps, they seem well within India's side.

Galwan river pinned and F4 circled. Maps more or less outline the disputed stretch with dotted undemarcated section.

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Those bridges are near the Galwan mouth, where the Galwan flows into the Shyok river(essentially where the valley begins. Your pin is actually over the Shyok, west of Galwan, so those bridges would be east of that.
 

ougoah

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An interesting theory. Unfortunately, china failed to cross the LAC in Gogra and Depsang and occupy Indian territory as you claim.

But they do occupy plenty enough still of India's claims as evidenced by point 8 below from India's government.

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and today's Indian (relatively reputable publication i.e. not that wion crap and The SuperPooper Indian guy on TFI)

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Not yet provided update from either official side that those points are disengaged and both sides are reporting that more talks are ongoing. We already know what concessions India relented from the last 9 rounds of talks. But we differ in opinion on how those results ought to be interpreted.
 

ougoah

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Those bridges are near the Galwan mouth, where the Galwan flows into the Shyok river(essentially where the valley begins. Your pin is actually over the Shyok, west of Galwan, so those bridges would be east of that.

Look two 2m wide footbridges within a disputed section (still waiting for you to prove that btw) is hardly even comparable to PLA's >10km long road running between F8 and F5. So I guess that's fair? Two indian footbridges for >10km of PLA road, both inside the disputed stretch.

BTW please prove your bridges are truly even within the disputed zone with map points and proving the satellite photos correspond those those map points. And even then, PLA's >10km long road INSIDE India's claim would indicate Chinese victory on this rather trivial victory criteria lol.
 

twineedle

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But they do occupy plenty enough still of India's claims as evidenced by point 8 below from India's government.

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Not yet provided update from either official side that those points are disengaged and both sides are reporting that more talks are ongoing. We already know what concessions India relented from the last 9 rounds of talks. But we differ in opinion on how those results ought to be interpreted.
That India today article specifically showd those Chinese bases behind the LAC
Those outstanding problems are the volume of buildup on opposite ends of the LAC. Disengagement would mean pulling them back mutually. Did you even read Abhijit's article? Everything you have been asking is answered there.
 

twineedle

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3 Facts supported by satellite evidence:
China failed to shift the LAC westward, as some claim
China didn't occupy territory previously controlled by India, as some claim.
China failed to significantly impede Indian infrastructure projects in disputed territory, especially DSDBO.

If China has always wanted a buffer zone and ban on patrolling in Pangong and some other sectors, that is a completely different arguement. But some of these arguements claiming a Chinese victory are completely devoid of reality

If anything it is India occupying Chinese claimed territory in gogra, not vice versa
 

ougoah

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That India today article specifically showd those Chinese bases behind the LAC
Those outstanding problems are the volume of buildup on opposite ends of the LAC. Disengagement would mean pulling them back mutually. Did you even read Abhijit's article? Everything you have been asking is answered there.

Link Abhijit's article please. I don't think I've read it yet.
 

ougoah

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3 Facts supported by satellite evidence:
China failed to shift the LAC westward, as some claim
China didn't occupy territory previously controlled by India, as some claim.
China failed to significantly impede Indian infrastructure projects in disputed territory, especially DSDBO.

If China has always wanted a buffer zone and ban on patrolling in Pangong and some other sectors, that is a completely different arguement. But some of these arguements claiming a Chinese victory are completely devoid of reality

If anything it is India occupying Chinese claimed territory in gogra, not vice versa

Really? Have yet to see proof of this.

LAC is not a tangible line. It's invisible to satellite.

It has occupied territory previously controlled by India. F4 to F8 as just one example. You yourself claim a certain source said "India rarely patrols" beyond F4. This proves if anything (and this is your choice of source not mine which is VK Singh India's four star general who claim the opposite of what you're pulling out of your arse) that IA did patrol past F4. Because rarely patrolling is in actuality still patrolling past lol.
 
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