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ashdoc said:
Uighur mistreatment by Chinese is not Indian propaganda. British sites like guardian and BBC are the ones saying this .

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Indians are also saying this. Indian propaganda against China is as toxic and anti-China as American and British. Just read Indian media and compare it with google news. It's been as anti-Chinese as the worst usual suspects. Obviously after the Ladakh standoff it's gotten even more rabid.
 
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Can we please stop posting obvious BS? I don't know how much such stupid stuff - besides some sort of amusement - adds to this discussion and we should be careful in not derailing this anyway tensed issue with reposting of such crap.


By the way, there have been some reports about a PLA Army Aviation Brigade with Z-10s being transferred to Tibet/Xizang ... does anyone have a proof or at least link to this?
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The Indian lies and stories will only get worse and more messy. They've been upping the ante ever since the first "anonymous report" suggesting 5 PLA fatalies as soon as India released information that 3 IA soldiers were lost.
 
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The Indian lies and stories will only get worse and more messy. They've been upping the ante ever since the first "anonymous report" suggesting 5 PLA fatalies as soon as India released information that 3 IA soldiers were lost.
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But as far as I remember it was a Chinese report at CCTV
 
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The official casualty number from PLA is the least important thing to India. It's like cutting your finger off to show someone that you are serious, yet they don't care. India has a zillion ways to spin PLA's number, why is that important?

The thinking of helping Modi save face and deescalate is very piece meal fashion and does harm to the long term stability of the border. China should think in broader, longer term, not just how to get out of the current crisis.

The idea of help Modi de-escalate is dangerous. It underestimate India society's ability to form public opinion based on the interest THEY see. It underestimates India military's appetite to take casualties. A few dozen casualties, a private humiliation, means nothing to them. Last year they had fighter jets shot down, pilot captured, helicopter crashed, but nothing changed. Why this time is any different?

On the contrary, China's goodwill can only been seen as a sign of weakness,i.e. China is eager to deescalate. If I'm Modi, I would draw the conclusion that China is afraid of economic backlash.

And that might not be too far from the truth either, that Chinese leadership is afraid of economic backlash. Otherwise, why not disclose the casualty number which every normal country in the world would do, which means nothing to India!

Knowing the thinking of your opponent is really important. If you have been dealing with someone and things don't work, change it instead of keep repeating the same failed approach again and again.
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Fair points, but you should distinguish between Indian intelligence agency (RAW) opinion and Indian general public opinion. The geostrategic decisions of Indian gov't is much more influenced by Indian intelligence agencies (RAW) than Indian general public opinion, they are responsible for foreign intelligence and assessing the true causalty numbers of PLA.

Also you should consider India's willingness to enter into a war in a middle of pandemic and economic recession is low, so you need to consider India's eagerness to de-escalate too. Also you should consider Indian society has an inferiority complex after losing badly in the Sino-Indian 1962 war, so nationalism is a real concern. Also China's military budget is 3-4X bigger than Indian military budget, it's clear who has the military advantage.

If India truly kicked China's ass, then Indian intelligence agencies would have published photos and videos a long time ago. Indian intelligence agencies are keeping quiet since they know the truth of the lopsided skirmish.
 
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A very balanced documentary on the 1962 war and the events leading up to it. Probably the best made one considering the neutral Western tone as opposed to the singular Indian coverage.

 
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ougoah said:
Absolutely in the medium and long term he is doing a service to every nation which suffers brain drain to the US. However it is an absolute diplomatic FU to India in light of everything that's been happening in India and Modi's current situation.

There is a great limit to how much Chinese H1B holders can learn from the US these days. The atomic age is over. For India however, H1B people can bring them a lot of progress like the Chinese from the 1920s to maybe even 2010s. We're approaching a time where it's overall more beneficial to not lose any more talent than to have the few return to China, bringing knowledge that's well and truly beyond what China's been capable of in the past. It couldn't have been timed better.
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Not to mention that remittance constitutes an important part of the Indian economy...

Back on topic.

My belief is that Indian, not Chinese, actions will determine the degree of escalation. China will not instigate a war with India but if the Indian Army tries to pull a little stunt like June 15th again, war might ensue.
 
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Figaro said:
A very balanced documentary on the 1962 war and the events leading up to it. Probably the best made one considering the neutral Western tone as opposed to the singular Indian coverage.

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This is an excellent documentary Amazing the fortitude and discipline of the PLA soldier against all odd they make the flanking movement and caught up the Indian army in pincer movement and totally destroyed them.
It is almost super human effort.

Yes I sympathize with the soldier which army give up the spoil of war so easily as China. It does not do justice to these men who suffer and died for the country only told to give them up. It must be heart breaking But the world and India never appreciate this good will and gesture of friendship. Instead of making peace and sign border treaty they keep claiming unsubstantiated and bogus border.

Chinese leadership is spineless at that time and betrayal to the suffering of common people. Their policy is a failure. They should not repeat the same mistake again.

This documentary show clearly the duplicity and betrayal of Soviet Union another lesson to never be repeated. "Never trust socalled ally and never depend on other rather than your own strength
 
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