Ladakh Flash Point

jfy1155 said:

Last time it was 56 names and now is 38 names in Chinese.

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There is an over-representation of Tibetan soldiers here.
According to Ethnic Composition of the PLA () published by the government of China statistics bureau, there are currently only 6933 Tibetan soldiers in the PLA out of an entirety of 2,498,600 strong. We have plenty of evidence showing that Tibetan PLA ground force soldiers serve not only in the Tibetan Military District, but also in all of what is covered in the Western Military District (which include the Western Military District and three sub districts directly commanded by the PLA Ground Force Central command: Tibetan Military District, Xinjiang Military District and South Xinjiang Military District, 西藏军区，新疆军区 and 南疆军区).

Even if all Tibetan PLA soldiers serves in the Western Military District's many ground forces equally distributed, it would still be only around 6933 in a total of more than (at least) 300,000 strong. This gives 2.3 men out of 100. Yet in this list of 38, there are 3 Tibetans.

We know that more Tibetan PLA soldiers in the Ground Force serves in the Tibetan Military District. However, the Ladakh Flash point is located in the defense zone of Xinjiang Military District (新疆军区) and South Xinjiang Military District (南疆军区)。It is known that very few Tibetans soldiers serving in these two units, we can reasonably expect that less than 2.3 men out of 100 serves in these units. So, why is there an over-representation of Tibetan soldiers and not even one Uyghur, Kazakh or other Xinjiang minority soldiers? There are 6023 Uyghur soldiers and 565 Kazakh soldiers in the PLA.

ashdoc said:

Uighur mistreatment by Chinese is not Indian propaganda. British sites like guardian and BBC are the ones saying this .

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Indian can't do any propaganda since it takes lots of creativity to make it believable.

Uighur is western propaganda. West standing up for anything is considered nothing short of jokes.
US, Britain, France & Israel are 4 little trouble makers. There has not been a single day in last decade in our life when people did not wake up, took the news paper & saw news that US is making trouble somewhere else.

And for the special "uighur" treatment is concerned, You need to consider other part of the story too. Western people( the people, i am not talking about government or military) have been involved in degrading other people's faith, view under disguise of freedom of sppech & democracy, though how exactly people from one part of the world can access other people's faith is a mystery to me.

In West they are going to do the democratic thing, protecting people's right to degrade others, in other countries west is going to "stand up" for "minorities" because west is "very very concerned" about minorities, i don't think you will find many people exactly thrilled by western huhu rights chumps singing kumbaya.
If West is interested in being fair, my proposal is

either
1) The Concerned kumbaya singing west should take Uighurs instead of standing all day making their legs tired & rename the state of New York as State of Uighur. If they are worried about "human rights", they can have the human & they can give them the rights, much easy, right?

Or
2) In front of 2 billion Muslims, West can bring their proofs forward, while we can show Muslims the western people's "free thinking" which includes degrading religious figures, religious symbols, books,targeting women of other religion by attires.

I am more than willing to see what Muslims do if they get free hand on free western peoples. Ever wondered why West wants to lead the world from safe distance?

Let me tell you why, democracy is by the People, of the People, for the People, well, it's also on the People.

This is not 1945, this is 2020. West is not the only one who can play that game.

ashdoc said:

Uighur mistreatment by Chinese is not Indian propaganda. British sites like guardian and BBC are the ones saying this .

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It’s true that the likes of BBC and Guardian are talking about it and probably started it, but the point is that, it’s still propaganda and the Indian media constantly like to use it in their own propaganda, whilst conveniently never mentioning their own actions that is, if not at the same level, is at a worst level than what is being presented to have been done in China. It’s true for both Indian and Western media.

Personally I think there is probably some truth in the rumours, China is no angel, but these rumours are most likely a mis-representation, as well as wildly sensationalised and exaggerated in the western media. The truth is usually a mid point between the Western demonising version and Chinese ‘we aren’t doing anything’ version.

Mt1701d said:

It’s true that the likes of BBC and Guardian are talking about it and probably started it, but the point is that, it’s still propaganda and the Indian media constantly like to use it in their own propaganda, whilst conveniently never mentioning their own actions that is, if not at the same level, is at a worst level than what is being presented to have been done in China. It’s true for both Indian and Western media.

Personally I think there is probably some truth in the rumours, China is no angel, but these rumours are most likely a mis-representation, as well as wildly sensationalised and exaggerated in the western media. The truth is usually a mid point between the Western demonising version and Chinese ‘we aren’t doing anything’ version.

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I think BBC, The Guardian ran stories on last kashmir saga too when indians cut off internet there.

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People at indian defence forum says they will lease F22’s as alternative to US occupation.

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Can we please stop posting obvious BS? I don't know how much such stupid stuff - besides some sort of amusement - adds to this discussion and we should be careful in not derailing this anyway tensed issue with reposting of such crap.


By the way, there have been some reports about a PLA Army Aviation Brigade with Z-10s being transferred to Tibet/Xizang ... does anyone have a proof or at least link to this?

Nobonita Barua said:

I think BBC, The Guardian ran stories on last kashmir saga too when indians cut off internet there.

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Fair enough, I should clarify as I lobbed Indian and western media together in my comment. What I mean is that Western and Indian media will highlight other people’s issues whilst ignoring their own, China is guilty too, don’t get me wrong.

This is normal but the problem is the wild mis-representation, sensationalising, exaggerating and outright lies. The western media does it, the Indian media does it but on a totally different level, the Chinese also does it to some extent, not saying they don’t, but usually, I notice its far closer to the truth.

I mean Indian media entertained the idea that locust can be trained as terrorist by Pakistan. I am not sure what else to say.

Mt1701d said:

What I mean is that Western and Indian media will highlight other people’s issues whilst ignoring their own, China is guilty too, don’t get me wrong.

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Indians can think anything. They are irrelevant.

However thinking that West is "ignoring" their own issue while pointing to other is a very naive interpretation of what's really going on.
Remember when Obama said "ensuring american leadership for another 100 years" or when pompeo was ensuring West of their lordship over world in EU?
They are not "ignoring" , they are trying to preserve the status quo aka their so called West led world order at any costs.

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Nobonita Barua said:

Indians can think anything. They are irrelevant.

However thinking that West is "ignoring" their own issue while pointing to other is a very naive interpretation of what's really going on.
Remember when Obama said "ensuring american leadership for another 100 years" or when pompeo was ensuring West of their lordship over world in EU?
They are not "ignoring" , they are trying to preserve the status quo aka their so called West led world order at any costs.

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Maybe ignoring is the wrong term to use, let me expand on this to get my thinking across.

For example the issue of Guantánamo Bay for the US, by all measures it is/was doing the exact thing that the US is accusing China of doing in xinjiang to the Uighurs admitted the numbers are different but the point remains the same. The US media sensationalised their own actions for awhile and then it was pretty much all dropped, but the US continued the campaign against China on the grounds of human rights regardless of what is happening in their own court.
For India, it would be Kashmir, they are committing what is effectively genocide in that name of COIN or counter-terrorist operation, when they claim China of doing the same in Xinjiang to the Uighurs, who for all intents and purpose are also doing what they are doing in the name of COIN and counter-terrorist.

That’s basically what I mean. I don’t mean ignoring as in literally ignoring, but more in a hypocritical way.

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