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ougoah

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By halting the H1B processing, Trump is actually doing a favor in the long run to Modi. The more Indians come to the United States, the greater the brain drain, which is why India's development has been so painfully slow.

Absolutely in the medium and long term he is doing a service to every nation which suffers brain drain to the US. However it is an absolute diplomatic FU to India in light of everything that's been happening in India and Modi's current situation.

There is a great limit to how much Chinese H1B holders can learn from the US these days. The atomic age is over. For India however, H1B people can bring them a lot of progress like the Chinese from the 1920s to maybe even 2010s. We're approaching a time where it's overall more beneficial to not lose any more talent than to have the few return to China, bringing knowledge that's well and truly beyond what China's been capable of in the past. It couldn't have been timed better.
 

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After one proven list of fake names supported by a scary number of senior Indian representatives of government, media, and military, they have now provided an amended new list after the first one was debunked as a list of PLA generals from the 50s. Combine the lies about prisoners, lies about PLA casualties, lies about PLA fatalities, lies about PLA positions, lies about PLA retreat, lies about whether IA had weapons, and all the flip flopping on these points, it's like the boy who cried wolf 20 times and still expects people to give it any serious attention. Why are Indians so lowly? Never expected this.

Meanwhile CCP has been rather magnanimous with the simple statement that fighting had ensued and some damages were done to both sides. Nice and broad statement with no detail. Unfortunately for sore Indians with narrow minds, CCP's reluctance for transparency is hiding PLA losses as opposed to the reality, taking claims quietly and incredibly successfully with minimal if any loss. How angry will the Indians be if they knew dozens of IA were killed with over a hundred captured or injured and at least three claim points taken by China already with more fronts being taken. Certainly it wouldn't just be 60% unsatisfied with the BJP, if the CCP released the reality of little or no PLA fatalities and injuries with hundreds of square kilometers being captured, the dissatisfaction will be over 90%... Indian delusions and denial notwithstanding.

They don't get that CCP wants to avoid any shooting war if possible even if they'll win so convincingly that India military refuses to even consider this. War is still costly regardless and attracts all the wrong sort of western attention. Luckily Indian military and leaders are incompetent and spineless. Personally I consider a war to be a good opportunity to show resolve and strength. There's a real chance the CCP is pushing non-stop until the Indians decide to take some kinetic action and won't stop settling claims in China's favour until Modi shoots. Hopefully this is exactly what is planned. If only Modi and his generals can find some backbone and courage to stop the trashtalking and start some shooting. In the meantime, all disputed claims are up for grabs.
Indian Media is called the Republic of Absurdity,here is a piece from a Pakistani jounalist.
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Some of the Indian Defence analysts,even Two Star retired Generals are saying that China has moved S-400 to Ladakh front,this could be a game changer
 

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Waqar Khan

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Over-estimating is one thing, but we should understand their mindset because that is critical to predicting their moves. The revocation of article 370 was a direct result of this fantasizing. Remember that both the Chinese and Pakistani leadership was surprised by this move. When you're surprised by a move your opponent makes, that means you failed to understand your opponent.

The cause of this failure was a lack of understanding in how deeply rooted the BJP is in the RSS's ideology. All this fantasizing comes from the RSS, which is the support base of the BJP, which has filled India's military, bureaucracy and media with sycophants. I earlier listed the political reasons for India joining the US-led Quad. But as I mentioned, there are complex historical reasons for this Quad alignment as well. Well, here's a quick summary of this very convoluted dimension:

The RSS/BJP believes that in order to secure its Greater India/'Akhand Bharat' fantasy, it will need the US on its side. This isn't just because the US is an opponent of China, but because in the RSS's ideology, the United States is a fellow 'aryan' nation. Yes, this is the same 'aryan race' idea which Hitler used. This 'aryan' concept probably originated in Europe with the British, who literally invented modern racism and then spread it all over the world via their global empire. The RSS later adopted this racist ideology as an insecure response to India's historical domination by the Muslims, allying with the Islamic Civ's nemesis, the West, which itself invented the 'indo-aryan' concept to justify its own 'Caucasian' superiority...

You can see how crazy this all gets and right quick. But there are multiple leaders in the US/EU/India whose support base (not all, but a significant chunk) believes in these ideas. Here's one source, but you can find many others:
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p.s. The RSS's fantasy maps can range from this:

कैसा होता अगर अखंड भारत आज भी होता ? Akhand Bharat ...


To this:

Akhand bharat or 'undivided India as... | India map, India facts ...'undivided India as... | India map, India facts ...


To sometimes this (lolz):

Akhand Bharat (@AkhandBharat2_0) | Twitter
Meanwhile Bhutan has joined the list of uneasy neighbors of India..India needs to shift to Fiji
 

Mt1701d

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By halting the H1B processing, Trump is actually doing a favor in the long run to Modi. The more Indians come to the United States, the greater the brain drain, which is why India's development has been so painfully slow.
I think you might be overestimating how much this would affect the brain drain from India, there are always other destinations they can go to, UK, Aus and EU, hell even other Asian countries, would still be options for the highly educated.

Actually India has a bigger problem then just brain drain, the number of highly educated and rational minded seems to be very limited compare to the average, in a democracy where numbers matter the highly educated and rational minded might not have enough of a voice to make a difference, brain drain or no brain drain.
 

ougoah

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Indian Media is called the Republic of Absurdity,here is a piece from a Pakistani jounalist.
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I've been listening to some Indian loving western academics like Christine Fair and noticing how one sided her political views are. Truly militant liberal mentality. Anything right wing is evil (unless it's Indian Fascism). To these people, Indians are all well-educated, peace loving hippies who have only love, prosperity, and cultural enrichment to offer the world. They think in only binaries despite being academics. I know they are overly emotional on politics and this is why they view India as perfection and to be protected and defended while India's enemies are by default 100% evil and indefensible.

They actually believe Tiananmen "massacre" had millions of protestors killed with no PLA deaths at the hands of protestors. They believe tanks ran over students despite the tank man video showing him climbing all over the tank while the tank stops every single time and the man living to old age. They forget how many Kashmiris are murdered and tortured by Indians on a weekly basis. How Muslims in India are actually treated worse than Indian propaganda suggests Uighurs are treated in China (all with the flimsiest of "evidence"). All the trashtalking, lies, slandering, and racism come from the Indians side. Some of the greatest injustice is how the West panders to India while it works against competitors like China. There's only one absolute truth to politics, ignore all moral posturing regardless of how convincing and heart wrenching. Everything can be misrepresented and the only absolute truth is the struggle for power, wealth, and influence. A strong military and economy is your best friend in this world. For the annoying flies buzzing around you like India, it is a problem to be destroyed at your earliest convenience. Ignore it at your peril, for it will lay eggs and create thousands more. Information warfare is all they have when their military and economy is pathetic by any real measure except their own inflated egos.
 

ashdoc

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By halting the H1B processing, Trump is actually doing a favor in the long run to Modi. The more Indians come to the United States, the greater the brain drain, which is why India's development has been so painfully slow.
No point in staying in india anyway. There is a quota system based on caste that does not give either education or jobs to deserving candidates.
 

ashdoc

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I've been listening to some Indian loving western academics like Christine Fair and noticing how one sided her political views are. Truly militant liberal mentality. Anything right wing is evil (unless it's Indian Fascism). To these people, Indians are all well-educated, peace loving hippies who have only love, prosperity, and cultural enrichment to offer the world. They think in only binaries despite being academics. I know they are overly emotional on politics and this is why they view India as perfection and to be protected and defended while India's enemies are by default 100% evil and indefensible.

They actually believe Tiananmen "massacre" had millions of protestors killed with no PLA deaths at the hands of protestors. They believe tanks ran over students despite the tank man video showing him climbing all over the tank while the tank stops every single time and the man living to old age. They forget how many Kashmiris are murdered and tortured by Indians on a weekly basis. How Muslims in India are actually treated worse than Indian propaganda suggests Uighurs are treated in China (all with the flimsiest of "evidence"). All the trashtalking, lies, slandering, and racism come from the Indians side. Some of the greatest injustice is how the West panders to India while it works against competitors like China. There's only one absolute truth to politics, ignore all moral posturing regardless of how convincing and heart wrenching. Everything can be misrepresented and the only absolute truth is the struggle for power, wealth, and influence. A strong military and economy is your best friend in this world. For the annoying flies buzzing around you like India, it is a problem to be destroyed at your earliest convenience. Ignore it at your peril, for it will lay eggs and create thousands more. Information warfare is all they have when their military and economy is pathetic by any real measure except their own inflated egos.
Uighur mistreatment by Chinese is not Indian propaganda. British sites like guardian and BBC are the ones saying this .

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