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ougoah said:
Can you provide some sources that suggest China's claim was finger 8? If that's the case why would China dispute and claim up to finger 4? The issue would have been settled there and then since India's claims didn't go beyond finger 8 as far as I know.
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That is because we Chinese are the bully here !

After we secured finger 8, we want to push the indians around more !

Also, by pushing the indians beyond finger 4 will deny them access to fresh water.

The water from finger 4 and beyond are salty and can not be used for drinking. This way, the indians will not be able to deploy large amount of troops near by !

Now as far as the Chinese claim of finger 8. This was the original 1960 demand, after we destroyed the indians in the 1962 war, we have been patrolling it there until the 1980's when the indians slowly creeped in and we pushed them back again to finger 8 around 2010. Now we got even more from it.

You have to remember that, now india is in a world of HURT ! They are in no position to negotiate both, economically and from a superior position point of view. Please see the posts above by me. Now you understand why the indians are so desperate to end this stand off by giving concessions to Chinese demand while playing their typical media mental masturbation's victory; while the reality keep slapping them in the face !

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ougoah said:
Chinese leadership actually ought to understand (and I bet they did and do) that this confrontation has totally converted India's political spectrum to become firmly set after equaling the score with China. As much as the Jai Hind internet trolls wish to create false victories, the real danger is an organised Indian offensive with coherently formed strategies. There are sensible and intelligent Indians who are more convinced of this than ever just based on shifting attitudes. Formerly these people would have been far more balanced (yes I know the Jai Hind voices really drown them out).

The CCP better have endgame plans. It serves China well to have India's current losses (near total acceptance of 1959 deal) proceed with low profile and the Jai Hind victory cries do help facilitate this ironically. But Indian leaders do know better and will certainly act accordingly when opportunities arise. China needs to watch this space carefully.

Abandoning China's claims however outrageous one might consider them (in light of more threatening dangers from the US), may not be good for domestic faith in the CCP but this current path does provide just enough leeway to both parties. We just need to separate the Jai Hind voices from those in India who understand the reality. I wonder if it's possible the relationship approaches repair in the distant future.
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You clearly do not understand the situation and the terrain in the region. (We Own Tibet !)

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Now you understand why the indians fear us CHINESE ? :D


China's position is so favorable that the indians NOW can not even pose the slightest threat !!

After we destroyed the indians in the war of 1962. We Chinese took all the critically important points along the LAC. We pushed even more with this conflict and now in a near perfect position to deal with the indians. All of this come at a TINY loss of just 4 men !!

I am not sure if you speak Chinese but here is a good thread describing the situation.

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twineedle said:
China's 1959 claim is actcually beyond finger 4. That's why in one of the earlier talks, China requested India vacate Dhan SIngh Thapa as a condition for disengagement.
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No. China "demanded" India move back from South Pangong Tso as a condition for Disengagement.

The road that leads to P4 still remains. Dhan Singh Thappa post at P2/3 and Chinese post at P8 are permanent posting areas.

Earlier India used to patrol till P8, now it can't. But you are trying to assert that a no buffer zone, which denies Indian ability to patrol, is what India wanted all along.

Sometime around 2017-2019,Indian HQ :
"Let's focus on getting a buffer zone so that we won't be able to patrol like we are doing."
"Yes. Very good. These patrols are bad. A buffer zone means less work"
"Let's engage in a border scuffle with the adversary along a vast non demarcated border. That way, we will get our buffer zones"
"Yes. A great idea indeed fellow soldier".
 
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Guys stop arguing with twineedle

he is a delusional hindu nationalist.

He can not back up his words with refferences.

China's demand of LAC was finger 8 all along since 1960. It got it and now pushed it to finger 4 where indians can not even patrol to now and be denied fresh water from the lake. !!

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JSL said:
Guys stop arguing with twineedle

he is a delusional hindu nationalist.

He can not back up his words with refferences.

China's demand of LAC was finger all along since 1960. It got it and now pushed it to finger 4 where indians can not even patrol to now and be denied fresh water from the lake. !!

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Whether he is a Hindu Nationalist or American or Indian origin American or Taiwanese is irrelevant.

He simply keeps moving the goalposts and insists that the current arrangement is what India wanted all along. That's a 'no' from me.
 
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Gatekeeper said:
You do know he's now going to make alteration to the wiki page to suit his narratives. right? Lol.
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Wikipages are modern History books. Good Information Warfare, if anything.

One issue though, the sources aren't reliable or is circular.

Example

'USNews' cites IndiaToday which cites 'USNews'.
Or it cité one of those 'not-anti-Modi' news outlets which quotes an Indian soldier or "source".

Ultimately, it is certain to affect the view of the non aligned English language reader.
 
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JSL said:
You clearly do not understand the situation and the terrain in the region. (We Own Tibet !)

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Now you understand why the indians fear us CHINESE ? :D


China's position is so favorable that the indians NOW can not even pose the slightest threat !!

After we destroyed the indians in the war of 1962. We Chinese took all the critically important points along the LAC. We pushed even more with this conflict and now in a near perfect position to deal with the indians. All of this come at a TINY loss of just 4 men !!

I am not sure if you speak Chinese but here is a good thread describing the situation.

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Why China didn't take western Depsang plain from India after 1962?
 
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