Ladakh Flash Point

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twineedle

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Another day, another victory for India on the internet. Too bad it’s different in reality.

India used to patrol up to finger 8, now not only it can’t go past finger 4, it is restricted to finger 2/3, a non disputed territory that isn’t apparently even part of Chinese claim line.

India tried to demolish Chinese tents at Galwan and got routed instead, many running and freezing to death. I fail to see how that enforced Indian claim when the attack failed to dislodge the Chinese position over there.

The withdrawal agreement is only restricted to Pagong Tso right now. The rest remains to be seen.
Disnengagement already occurred Galwan in July of last year. By your logic, China can no longer patrol up to finger 4, which it used to patrol up to and even built a road. Not to mention all the infrastructure it had to dismantle.

And India never had any post beyond Dhan Singh Thapa, so India actually isn't moving an inch. AS of now Status quo ante has been restored to all sectors accept Gogra, exactly as India insisted in all the talks.
 

twineedle

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LOL India lost over 1,000 km^2 with some sources saying 600 mi^2. "India" and "enforce" don't go together unless someone enforced India because Indian force is only deadly to other Indians... well, unless you count one-time cowardly ambushes on unarmed negotiators...
Yes, China captured captured 1000 km despite retreating 60 km from the 1992 lac. That definitely makes sense.
 

twineedle

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Wow so many people here still cannot accept the fact that India effectively enforced the pre February 2020 status quo with the disengagemnt agreement. Whether india suffered 20 or 40 or 500 casualties at Galwan doesn't change that. A video released by Global Times doesn't change that.
 

siegecrossbow

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This.

Even though I wished that China had honored the martyrs back in June, the silver lining to the video release is that it occurred 8 months after Col Babu and friends were honored as heroes and placed on pedestals by both the Indian press and media. The video shown by China, coupled with the muted response from the Indian Army, will sow doubt within the hearts of even the most dedicated Bahkts.

A comparable situation would be that of Austin Cyclist Lance Armstrong. Wouldn't it have been better if he was busted for steroid use early in his career? Probably. But the fact that he was busted after winning so many Tour De Frances was devastating for both him and his fanbase.

That said, I do think that the focus of most Indians will shift from Galwan to some other "victories" in the near future. It will be like the Balakot Strike saga all over again.
 

twineedle

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The Chinese were late to announce their fallen. But still, its better late than never. Look at how much damage a Chinese 9-minute video did to 8-months of Indian BS narrative since Galwan. Its a hot topic in China, and its getting some serious attention around the world. There will be haters for sure. But its also good to see how well it has been received. The Indian media is in meltdown. The Jai Hinds and Bahkts are going nuts.

The Indian media is in so much distress. I have not seen this much damage control in quite awhile. Reminds me of the panic they were in when Galwan just happened. Predictably, they have to go around reminding viewers that China is lying again. The horrified journalists, hosts, commentators, and ex-army men are doing even more of their group delusion sessions. Their heroin-highs had nearly worn-off, so these sessions were important to give them another shot.

The Jai Hinds and Bhakts are raging in the IDF. Unspeakable things are being written there. More trolls from the great Indian troll army are on a pilgrimage to come to check out our nice little forum here.

Thinking about how India got here. I was reminded of the monologue by Valery Legasov in the Chernobyl TV show about lies. There has to be a price for lies. India can lie and lie. But the truth is always there. Every time India lies, it incurs a debt to the truth. And someday, that debt of truth has to be paid. That is how a 9-minute video by China derailed 8-months of Indian narrative-building. Lies!
I don't know what you mean by distress. If anything the Indian media is happy that India secured a disengagement deal that fulfilled its strategic goals in Ladakh and restored status quo ante. But whatever makes you feel better I guess.
 

Xizor

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And India never had any post beyond Dhan Singh Thapa, so India actually isn't moving an inch. AS of now Status quo ante has been restored to all sectors accept Gogra, exactly as India insisted in all the talks.
Wrong.
Each of your assertions has been met with relevant counter posts. Are you not reading it or choosing to offer a blind eye to those?
India can't patrol upto finger 8 that it used to patrol. Same is the case with China . China indeed had to pull back in infrastructure that it built there during the flare up but its not China's fault India hasn't been able to build up infra on the region it held (upto Finger 4).

China and India both moved to permanent posts at F8 and F2/3 respectively. China still holds the advantage in that it has a road that extends from F8 to F4. Pretty useful in an escalation to quickly advance to F4 with equipments.

In other regions, China holds substantial Indian claimed areas in Depsang as well as point P17A and P15. Gogra and Hot Springs
 

Xizor

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I don't know what you mean by distress. If anything the Indian media is happy that India secured a disengagement deal that fulfilled its strategic goals in Ladakh and restored status quo ante. But whatever makes you feel better I guess.
Wrong. Indian media has resorted to moving the goal posts and decided to paint with whatever that's left in its palette.

India's initial motive was to push back China and get back the regions it lost after 1962. It not only failed in the latter but lost its step in the initial advance (Galwan PP14).
 

Xizor

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Wow so many people here still cannot accept the fact that India effectively enforced the pre February 2020 status quo with the disengagemnt agreement. Whether india suffered 20 or 40 or 500 casualties at Galwan doesn't change that. A video released by Global Times doesn't change that.
Point out the "so many people". Then tag them and offer them your point.

No one here claimed India suffered 20,40,500 casualties. Those are Indian claims - 23,35,43,45,100 etc. Chinese casualties.

China has never claimed an Indian casualty number that goes as high as 50. Are you confused or what?

A video released is a video evidence that requires an answer. No one is stopping India from releasing Images or Videos? Does India not have any cameras or Video Cams? Rent it from a foreign country perhaps?
 

Sardaukar20

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China never claimed that it occupied xxx square miles or square kilometers of Indian land, it was the Indian media that claimed this. If you have a problem go to the Indian media and don't bother us.
On another note. What ever territory China had captured never belonged to India in the first place. It was Chinese land all along. Its just that these lands are now returning back to its original owner. India has a problem understanding Asian history. So it'll never understand this fact.
 
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