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twineedle

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Not at all. You start it, we finish it. You ambush our negotiators so we kill your soldiers and take your territory in response. It's not hard to understand for anyone with a double digit IQ.
And then you will retreat, like you did this past week. Your own government confirmed that. All the "territory" you claimed to have captured is under Indian control.
 

manqiangrexue

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The 1992 agreement is at finger 4, as shown on google maps. China had to retreat all the way beyond finger 8, while India is right next to it at Dhan Singh Thapa.
I dunno, all the things that Indians say are lies; it's too weird to argue details. It's just obvious that China's a far superior force and whatever you have it was given to you by China's mercy, just like it is by Pakistan's mercy that you have your disposable pilot back. If China wants or if you act up again, we take it again with ease.
That alone debunks claims of Chinese victory. Too bad China failed to gain an inch of territory.
Nothing can debunk that because China just keeps winning everywhere. Too bad Indians are shielded by their incompetent government to believed that they can accomplish things, especially against a power like China. If they were honest and Indians knew what was going on, they might hold their government accountable and not trail hopelessly behind China at everything today from a position of superiority after WWII.
And then you will retreat, like you did this past week. Your own government confirmed that.
Like I said, we're done with you after you backed off. And for your land and dead people, we will show you that a retreat by an actual professional military doesn't involve people scurrying into frozen rivers and off cliffs. If you wanna see another demonstration, it'll cost you again because we have to beat you every time to do one.
All the "territory" you claimed to have captured is under Indian control.
First of all, there's no such thing as Indian control because they don't even control their own capital apparently. Secondly, really? China confirmed that? Show me. Because if they didn't that just makes you another Indian liar again.
 
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Xizor

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Lol some memebers are still believing claims China captured 1000 sq km, while also trying to say India instigated the conflict. some real cognitive dissonance. I guess they are still trying to cope with the fact China retreated from so much territory.
Different regions.
Galwan isn't Depsang.
Pangong Tso isn't South Tibet.


Why keep regurgitating these rebutted claims?
 

TheFoozyOne

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In other news, U.S. News, India's favorite outlet post Galwan is now reporting Chinese numbers:

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Doesn't change the Indian journalists from trying to push 8 dead or 45 dead in the actual article though.
So now 8 Chinese died. Staying true to the 2x+n formula I see, but they messed up the variable, it was supposed to be x = indian deaths.

I love how their casualties estimations went from being based on the number of helicopters sorties to being based on the number of stretchers. The use of these estimations only indicate that it was the PLA that swept and cleaned the battlefield, as the Indians were routed.
 

Xizor

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And then you will retreat, like you did this past week. Your own government confirmed that. All the "territory" you claimed to have captured is under Indian control.
Which region are you talking about?
There has been a disengagement at Pangong Tso with Indian advances at Kailash ranges negated over the agreement north of Pangong Tso.

Sounding very desperate and seems to have resorted to trolling.
 

Xizor

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The 1992 agreement is at finger 4, as shown on google maps. China had to retreat all the way beyond finger 8, while India is right next to it at Dhan Singh Thapa. That alone debunks claims of Chinese victory. Too bad China failed to gain an inch of territory.
Troll.

Earlier, it was that India never patrolled. Before that India didn't lose land, before that India pushed out Chinese invaders .

Now it's, "China failed to gain an inch of territory". A statement devoid of much truth but intended to derail the thread.
 

ougoah

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Are you denying that there was a disengagement between India and China at Galwan in July 2020? I am not even arguing about the casualty count, I accept that India suffered more casualties, but that is irrelevant to this discussion. The point is India and China already disengaged from PP14 leading to status quo ante in Galwan. Don't know why you are trying to deny that.

Yes. I don't recall disengagement at Galwan happening in July 2020. There were a few Indian media articles to suggest this but all of them used the river flooding as evidence that PLA moved all the way back. The camps set up on the bank were removed when the water level rose. This doesn't necessarily mean total disengagement because if there was at Galwan, it should have set precedence for disengagement in multiple confrontation spots back in July already. Don't know recall there being any formal, official recognition of that.

Show me evidence of July disengagement in Galwan please. And make it real don't waste everyone's time with random Indian media articles. I know they've said a range of things that were proven untrue and iirc that includes several reports of disengagement after the June clash... you know to preserve Jai Hind minds from imploding.
 

ougoah

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Except India had never patrolled up to finger 8. Read what Colonel Dinny, who commanded troops on Pangong said. Since 1962, the area between finger 4 and 8 was a buffer zone, although PLA would patrol it more often after they built a road from fingers 8 to 4. Throughout the whole standoff India had been seeking a return to staus quo ante, which would mean new constructions removed adn a buffer zone restored.

Your Jai Hind colonel Dunny isn't an authority on this issue surely you understand this right??

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He's saying this now but for years we all know that IA and PLA have held up banners asking the other's patrol party to return when they have approached beyond their respective claim lines. This should indicate that IA patrols FREQUENTLY walked up well beyond finger 4. Enough times to warrant banners from being produced and issued lol. The same goes for PLA.

For every Dunny that claims x,y,z after the disengagement to portray a facesaving situation for India, there were MANY Indians and opposition leaders/ military ones who implied that IA patrolled up to finger 8 and lamenting the fact that PLA settling onto finger 4, prevented IA from performing patrols they always did in the past.

Patrolling up to claimed borders was quite common and the buffer zone was only established in earnest after these actual disengagement agreements/action. The buffer zone did not exist in the past. If it did, how do you figure there were so many clashes and pushing fights even before 2020?
 
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