How many points cpc gives to ugyer people for keeping calm and obey even though their rights are taken away?
Ladakh Flash Point
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Welp, there goes the narrative.
At first - "Indians basically died from hypothermia lol. Believe it or not, ZERO Chinese causalities."
Then Hu Xijin admitted, well...there was 'one' Chinese KIA. But only one, OK.
Now it has creeped up to 4 dead and 1 injured. Really? How on earth do you end up with more dead than injured in a melee? This wasn't a drone strike, right? Can someone tell the department that if you are gonna lie, at least try to make it look real?
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Basically what used to happen in the past is that whenever China pushed a bit further, India used to accept it as fait accompli. That changed post NDA-2. This is the second time since the 2017 Doklam episode, where India said - To hell with your salami slicing. Either you stick to the 1993/96 agreements to freeze the LAC status quo, or we will send in troops to crush your skulls. No matter how many causalities we take.
I guessing Delhi also calculated that picking up a full scale fight with India over a patch of frozen wasteland would make little sense for Beijing in the larger scheme of things at the moment. While China will win the war, it would be a complete waste of their time and resource, given that they have a much bigger enemy to worry about. But if it does come to that, India is game.
Now it's clear that when Delhi released the causality figures on its side immediately after the Galwan clash, that was a taunt to Beijing - "Go ahead. Suppress the numbers on your side. Let's see what effect it has on your troops' morale"
"Gesture of goodwill" - Man, will this cringe ever stop?
Tbh one shouldn't put too much weight in the timing of releasing causality figures. Sitting on the numbers until the dust settles can actually make tactical sense. But once you come out with it, be honest at least.
At first - "Indians basically died from hypothermia lol. Believe it or not, ZERO Chinese causalities."
Then Hu Xijin admitted, well...there was 'one' Chinese KIA. But only one, OK.
Now it has creeped up to 4 dead and 1 injured. Really? How on earth do you end up with more dead than injured in a melee? This wasn't a drone strike, right? Can someone tell the department that if you are gonna lie, at least try to make it look real?
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Basically what used to happen in the past is that whenever China pushed a bit further, India used to accept it as fait accompli. That changed post NDA-2. This is the second time since the 2017 Doklam episode, where India said - To hell with your salami slicing. Either you stick to the 1993/96 agreements to freeze the LAC status quo, or we will send in troops to crush your skulls. No matter how many causalities we take.
I guessing Delhi also calculated that picking up a full scale fight with India over a patch of frozen wasteland would make little sense for Beijing in the larger scheme of things at the moment. While China will win the war, it would be a complete waste of their time and resource, given that they have a much bigger enemy to worry about. But if it does come to that, India is game.
Now it's clear that when Delhi released the causality figures on its side immediately after the Galwan clash, that was a taunt to Beijing - "Go ahead. Suppress the numbers on your side. Let's see what effect it has on your troops' morale"
"Gesture of goodwill" - Man, will this cringe ever stop?
Tbh one shouldn't put too much weight in the timing of releasing causality figures. Sitting on the numbers until the dust settles can actually make tactical sense. But once you come out with it, be honest at least.
manqiangrexue
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Literally ambushing a negotiation team is unheard of in modern history. Even Indians themselves have not stooped to it before. And in the end, they still failed. You hold godly standards for others; you should look to yourself.
China does not pursue global hegemony because such an endeavor overstretches any nation and shortens its height of power. China pursues global supremacy, to rise above all others in all fields.
No, instead we tell you to fuck off. Your nonsense is a disservice to everything.
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Note - What IA and GoI calls finger 8, is actually finger 6 - Sirijap base - in common parlance. IA counts two additional minor spurs in-between 4 and 6 as 'fingers', thereby increasing the count. What's commonly known as finger 8 has another Chinese base there.
SOME(not all) members here cannot accept the fact the disengagement deal gave restored status quo ante prior to 2020 and fulfilled India's strategic goals(at least in the short term), so they are now flipping the narrative from "China captured 1000 km of territory(disproven by satellite images) to "evil India attempted to bully China and violate the LAC." That way, China retreating 60 km from finger 4 to finger 8 is actually a victory for China becasue supposedly, that area was occupied by India(proven to be untrue).
A buffer zone in those areas is exactly what many Indian defence experts and veterans have argued for, and it is exactly what the Indian governmetn has been trying to enforce. The Chinese government even called this deal a win win, which is true. Yet they cannot accept the fact that india got what it wanted from the deal, because they view India as inferior to China. They still cannot understand how India stood up to China and got some(not everything) of what it wanted.
Are you faulting Indian in capability to scale up infra buildup on China? Fault the terrain if that desperate.
Aah yes, anyone giving a different set of fact that contradicts with the national narrative is Anti-BJP.
Wrong. India did patrols on foot to its claim regions, even going as far as near point 8.India physically controlled till Finger 4.
Neutral sources like Maxar, possibly but certainly be susceptible to doctoring and
flawed interpretation by the "analysts".
The major point is how exactly are the structures tagged Chinese /Indian, ownership of structures, date they were built, type of structures, whether they are temporary or permanent, whether they are occupied structures or abandoned etc.
LOL I didn’t know ambushing and killing envoys was part of military strategy or cunningness (狡猾). Yes only China has itself to blame for trusting that their enemies have basic human decency to not kill negotiators.
Only Indians would pat themselves in the back for such a thing.
Maybe you are not Indian, but you aren’t Chinese for sure even when you use Chinese writings. Drop the act that you care about China, it’s really pathetic that you resort to such a convoluted way to portray China as “weak” and “losing”, and India as ”winning”. What are you afraid of so much that you need to fake your identity? We all know that you are spiritually Indian already as you share their gymnastic mindset.
manqiangrexue
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Indians are the last people to tell others to be honest. Hu initially reported that there were ~11 injured but injuries that were light are pointless to count afterwards. One person died drowning trying to help others. Nothing sounds off. As a matter of fact, at the beginning, it seems that Hu was not authorized to release such information and did so without getting the full story, which is why it was taken down shortly after. If you wanna see indefensible narratives, go look at Indian media. They sound like a bunch of drunks arguing with each other LOL You could hardly even tell they were referring to the same event!
India's easternmost post has always been Dhan Singh Thapa. India set up a small encampment near finger 4 after China moved into foxhole, but that was not a permanent base.
And you still have not provided evidence of Indian troops regularly patrolling up to finger 4, while I have provided testimony from an Army officer who actually served on the lake.
BTW patrolling is only one way to enforce claim lines. Both china and India know they can;t efficiently patrol every inch of territory along the lac, which is why there are specific patrolling lines. Obviously, it is beneficial to the Indian army to enforce its claim not by dominance but by denial, via a buffer zone. That is why India has been insisting on suzh a buffer zone in all of the talks.
manqiangrexue
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No points. Why? Indians give points for gang-raping women and/or attacking old farmers or something?
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