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twineedle

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LOL at Twinneedle BJP IT Cell narrative.

Because India moved in to dispute and patrolled right up to finger 8 and well beyond pp13/14, and then got promptly pushed back with PLA firmly settling in for a year, you want to move the goalposts and claim India never did such things?? Have some self respect and shame.

BTW posting current interviews with Indian narrative handlers does NOT prove India wasn't patrolling past finger 4 building up to the confrontation. The facts remain that India claims up to finger 8 and past PP13 and PP14 and in fact did build infrastructure and camps WITHIN Chinese claims (which India claims as well) and patrolled right up to the edge of those Indian claims before early 2020. These are facts proven with evidence even in this thread.

It's so annoying dealing with you snakes. Shifting the facts and even your own lies and narratives. Indian claims of what they did and did not do are no more inherently factual than Chinese ones. The difference is the Chinese ones are at least completely constant albeit they release info well after the events and timed to be the least disruptive. Notice how they only released some footage of clashes from before winter and during winter now after the escalation and reported on the actual PLA deaths after disengagement?

Recall also how Chinese leaks DID mention PLA losing 1 communication officer after being brutally assaulted by IA and 2 men who succumbed to injuries weeks after the June fight? Remember how they admitted unofficially to the two men lost to injuries in hospital while being treated but succumbed? There you go, PLA hinted at 3 deaths and seems like there were another 1 or 2 not that they need to provide the world with the actual numbers immediately which is common practice everywhere if you notice.

India themselves wouldn't admit to real IA losses, capping reports to 20+ or "at least 20 IA dead" and then scaling that back to just 20. Snakes. If you want to immediately release actual numbers, stick to reporting your own and report the real number like PLA eventually did. Don't play on the propaganda narrative and emotions of your own people. The real IA losses was probably well into the 40s like PLA hinted at months and months ago. The Chinese side just don't play with reporting on enemy losses and shift them as they please.
So without evidence, you are claiming India is hiding deaths. I have neer disputed China;s claims, yet it is ok to spread conspiracy theories about Indian casualties? THe double standards are clear. The Indian army is accountabel to the government and people of India, and they never hide their casualties. If Indian army was to hide casualties, why wouldn't it just say that 3 or four soldiers died? The fact that India rleased the names and ranks of all soldiers killed in less than 24 hours shows how transparent India is. Doesn;t matter what unnamed and unreliable "PLA sources" say. If you really are so confident, please provide evidence of your claims, like I have been doing and not conspiracy theories. Oh wait, you have none.
 

manqiangrexue

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Ok kids, let me teach you this:
When PLA or red army started, they started as gurilla, small and appeared weak, as it should be. Even as they grew stronger, like in Korean War, it's still appeared weak in terms of raw power, which fits their image.


Now you are God damn military and economic superpower, nobody buys your weak image. Joke is on your side and the best you can do is to defend your interests with factual information. Because you don't have 5 eyes to help you dispense rumors.

You are not a gurilla force anymore. You need to change your mindset and modernize your operations. To do that, you need to change your organization and fire those middle-kindom thinking ones!

Your obsession with who I am is absurd. I'm just not gonna tell you
Ok, old man, it's time to retire because no one's taking your "lessons" which make no sense. China has not done one thing like a guerilla in any of its conflicts including this one, in modern times. Nor is it a Chinese strategy to pretend to be weak; both of these you had to have literally imagined because there is not even a shadow of either. And the last one is even more ridiculous (if that's even possible). China's modernization drive in its already cutting-edge military is unmatched anywhere in the world. You must be a fiction writing teacher... except you don't write well...
 

twineedle

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Also those satellite footage come with absolutely zero dates and indications and the ones that do are often doctored again as proven before.

Indians can you please have some dignity and shame. Stop photoshopping and stop making claims. It's actually embarrassing to all the sane and reasoned people around. Look at how you lied about the mass graves which were there since the 1960s. Look how you lied about the Su-35 that was never shot down or lost with Taiwan officially condemning India fake news brigade. Remember the list of PLA soldier killed who were just a wiki list of PLA generals from the 1940s to 60s? Or the photoshopped dates on satellite images? Or the satellite images taken out of context?

How about the Indians who originally claimed back in May to October about PLA moving back (presumably due to IA super soldiers) and only to be embarrassed with real satellite footage showing PLA not only at finger 4 but engraving the word China into the ground for those satellites to see?

How many times have Indians lied? We've actually lost count. How many times has China been proven to have lied? Z.E.R.O.

So now why should we trust your new goalposts of Indian having never been patrolling up to India's claims? They have. It's widely reported and prior to 2020 it was also reported by your own media as a source of ego boost as if to say the Indians are tough on their own claims and do right to them by patrolling up to the edge of India's claims.

Why should we trust some damage control India authority handlers who are there to say Indians never camped within the dispute and build infrastructure leading to them. These have happened and reported by Indian media from 2013 to 2020 as a source of pride to say that India is matching Chinese infrastructure building.

Why reverse on all that chest thumping false bravado now that India's infra building is stopped and IA cannot step inside the dispute much less walk up to the edge of those claims?

You lot are truly, evidently, not only incompetent shameless liars but also pathetic worms of the lowest order to go this low and try shift the goalposts. Whatever though, it's not like the Jai Hind crowd can do much more than participate in violent misogyny, racism, and streetshitting. Knock yourselves out like your soldiers did.
Please provide evidence of Indian army every building any structure or camp between fingers 4 or 8. Just about every Indian defence analyst said that India had never built infrastructure there, and the only ones who claimed Indian patrols there were a regular occurence are anti-BJP/Modi like Ajai Shukla, etc. Soldiers on the ground who have served there, unlike keyboard warriors here have said that very rarely, if every, Indian troops never patrolled past 3-4. Sure India claims up to finger 8, but it has no good way of enforcing them. That is why India has been pushing for the restoration of a buffer zone for this past year. Ironically you are shifting the goalposts by changing the topic from the disengagement deal to conspiracy theories about Indian casualties to false claims about Indian patrols.
 

longmarch

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China is at fault for underestimating Indian incivility and lack of honor. That’s why China sent 5 guys into lion’s den and ended up with a quagmire.

Indian army is worse than ISIS, barbaric af
不是国军不努力,是共军太狡猾?you only got yourself to blame.

You are having this border issue for decades, you underestimate your opponent at your own peril. As I said again and again, do you really see your opponent as they are, or you are just thinking out of thin air? Have you forgotten about Sun Tsu's teaching?

If PLA's strategic objective is to avoid 1962 style war and maintain conflict at low level, that's totally fine.

But, were you able to maintain it at the lowest level possible? Far from it. Because of miscalculation, because of outdated mindset and operation.

So Modi retaliated economically and you got no response. Obsessed with middle-kingdom mindset, You were not even trying to win the public war. As some members here stated, they don't even believe soft power ever existing. So, does that mean China want to go down the path towards hegemon, I don't think so?

Next time you see Chinese media talking about 大国胸怀,大国风范,tell them to fuck off. They are doing their country a disservice.
 

twineedle

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China sensibly refrains from providing any details and detailed statements as a situation is ongoing and developing - not a rescue mission but potential war. Get's called hiding info.

India on a rampage of fake news that often contradict their own words the previous day with non-stop inflamming the tensions as a political distraction and an attempt to redeem their failures. Failures? Making moves and then only getting China to respond in a way they couldn't deal with. Yeah that failure.

Now it's all about "India won because we were never in there in the first place so basically China only established a disengagement on territory they had the upper hand on before... so basically we won" LOL.

You honestly cannot argue with this sort of crowd. Just from Indian media running like a headless chicken for the last year is evidence enough how mature and sensible one civilisation is compared to the other.

Look at how the situation is now tamed and disengagement has finished, China has provided the information. Only after the situation is under control and the threat of escalations down. Now China sensibly provides all the details everyone wanted. Some footage of clashes. Which PLA soldiers died. Where they are buried. The funeral proceedings. The PLA commander with an obvious cranial injury that required what looks like pretty serious surgery.

So far absolutely nothing the PLA and CCP said has been proven untrue. Nothing said has been challenged by a single nation or single OSINT. Not even challenged by IA and Indian gov despite all having many means of obtaining the truth through satellite and actual military intel, so not those anonymous Jai Hind farts. All the news with photos or videos showing what's said or at least indicating what's said is likely.

Clashes happened in multiple parts - true
PLA involved in standoff with IA - true
May clash resulted in IA subdued and captured - true
PLA captured much of China's claims - true
Debunked Indian claims of PLA moving back in 2020 - true
June fighting resulted in dozens of IA captured and "casualties on both sides" - true
Returned IA captives on multiple occasions - true
20+ IA dead from exposure and injuries - losses were true as confirmed by India but cannot ascertain how
IA intrusion in Reqin - true
IA pushed out of Reqin - true
IA attempting to take Black top and helmet top - true
Hints that 1 PLA comm officer KIA and 2 PLA succumbing to injuries days/week after June fights - they eventually added one more with the eventual disclosure of 4 PLA losses.

Everything said by CCP proven true but notice they provide info after events not during. And now there's disengagement, the June fighting losses are also reported. Compare and contrast with headless chicken, girls deserve rape Jai Hindia.
I have no idea where requin is, but Indian troops were occupying Rechin La(which lies on the Indian side of the 1992 lac) until last week when China disengaged from the north bank. Why do you think China agreed to the disengagement in the first place? Then again, satellite imagery provided by neutral sources like Maxar is doctored lol.

I do agree that India had never taken black top and helmet though, that was bad reporting by some Indian media sources.
 

Xizor

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But the y junction is on the Chinese side of the LAC


you can't "capture" territory without physically occupying it, and China doesnt have any camps past the y junction

Once again, you can't have it both ways, your claims of 1000 km captured and India vioating the LAC contradict each other.
1000 km captured isn't my claim.
India has Patrol points being blocked by China.
China blocking patrols is indeed physically occupying it.

China doesn't have camps beyond Y junction. Indeed (assuming your claims are right) but India getting blocked beyond Y is also relevant.


Complain to this website rather venting your discomfort at me.

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The PLA has denied the Indian Army’s patrols access to five patrol points – PP 10, 11, 11a, 12 and 13 – which marked India’s limit of patrol, or LOP, by blocking them at Bottleneck/Y junction around 18 km inside the LAC

Chinese have stopped Indian patrols from accessing five patrolling points in the area since May.



Since China has enforced its claims and India being unable to, until there is no arrangement for a "no patrol" buffer zone, that region is solidly a loss for India effective past the actions last year.
 

quantumlight

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不是国军不努力,是共军太狡猾?you only got yourself to blame.

You are having this border issue for decades, you underestimate your opponent at your own peril. As I said again and again, do you really see your opponent as they are, or you are just thinking out of thin air? Have you forgotten about Sun Tsu's teaching?

If PLA's strategic objective is to avoid 1962 style war and maintain conflict at low level, that's totally fine.

But, were you able to maintain it at the lowest level possible? Far from it. Because of miscalculation, because of outdated mindset and operation.

So Modi retaliated economically and you got no response. Obsessed with middle-kingdom mindset, You were not even trying to win the public war. As some members here stated, they don't even believe soft power ever existing. So, does that mean China want to go down the path towards hegemon, I don't think so?

Next time you see Chinese media talking about 大国胸怀,大国风范,tell them to fuck off. They are doing their country a disservice.
Ren turn down your proposal again?
 

Oldschool

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It was reported in chinese media that the main culprit of the galawan valley incidence is 3rd infantry division commander , Abhijit Bapat who premeditated the attack against outnumbered PLA troop. He was one gave out the order. , He has the high caste in Indian society with so called "white man blood"
 

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twineedle

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Considering people are consistently trying to move the goalposts, the facts are that the Pla moved into pp14 and effectively occupied fingers 4-8. India did a mirror deployment between 3-4 and in the galwan valley, and responded by occupying rezang la and rechin la. As of now indian troops moved back a couple hundred meters to Dhan Singh Thapa, while china dismantled new constructions and withdrew behind finger 8. In the South, Indian soldiers withdrew from Rechin and Rezang La while PLa moved back from black top and helmet. In Galwan, both sides have disengaged from pp14.

The result is Status quo ante as it was before 2020. Yet so many members here are trying to act as if India lost by making ridiculous claims that India was actually occupying up to finger 8, India was patrolling china's side of the Galwan, etc. I guess they cannot accept the disengagement deal got India what it wanted, at least in the short term. Even the Chinese government called this a win-win
 
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