Ladakh Flash Point

TheFoozyOne said:

It’s naive to think that somehow China’s image can be saved in the world when there is a negative propaganda effort against China in the West 24/7 for years already. The new cold war is already here.

China chose strategically not to disclose the casualties number. For one, disclosing it immediately will not bring any good will from the West towards China, it will only be twisted and painted in a negative light. Countries/people holding ill will towards China will not believe the numbers, and countries/people holding good will towards China won’t care or believe Indian uncorroborated and self contradicting stories anyways.

Secondly, what benefit does China get from disclosing the numbers immediately except risking escalation and compromising longterm strategy of China? Is satisfying some internet warriors and winning the “informational war” that important compared with achieving longterm geopolitical objectives?

China in past wars always achieved geopolitical objectives, so what if China loses the informational war? If words hurt then Indians would win every battle.

Morons like you want the numbers immediately to satisfy your own perception of “good image”, without thinking at first what concrete good can this early disclosure bring to the image of China. Your naivety truly amazes me.

On a side note, why are you behaving like a thief yourself, with a name called Longmarch yet you are not Chinese and spiritually Indian?

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New cold war is here, so you chose to build a wall like the middle kingdom doing thousands years ago, cover your ears and be done with it? And you, are telling me that China has no friends whatsoever to win over, thus had to acknowledge public image defeat all together? Is this not what traitors would propose?

Today's world are sovereign nations competing for influence, and world is not just the West. Even among the West, they have different interests. Do you need me to teach this, you idiot?

By holding information, PLA behaved like the thief stealing bell. If there is no factual information, then rumor will take the place. And rumor is better than nothing, it's even better than fact because fact doesn't exist. you don't even have a thing to defend, because you have nothing!

And why you cheerleaders so obsessed with who I am? There is a thing called privacy in modern society and I'm just not going to tell you who I am. Oh I get it, there is no privacy in China!

Yet PLA hold their information like it's their biggest secret, for which the world will fall apart if released. What kind of mental gymnastics is this

longmarch said:

New cold war is here, so you chose to build a wall like the middle kingdom doing thousands years ago, cover your ears and be done with it? And you, are telling me that China has no friends whatsoever to win over, thus had to acknowledge public image defeat all together? Is this not what traitors would propose?

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Says the guy whose country shut down the internet over some farmers protesting.

longmarch said:

Well said, thumbs up!

In terms of releasing factual information, PLA behaved like a thief!

For all the conflicts China got into, PLA lost each and every information warfare, with the exception of Vietnam war.

Informed decision my ass. Stupid cheerleaders care more about who I am than taking some serious reflection on how this damaged China's image in this world.

And they say they don't care. Fucking morons.

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I think it's more of a testament of someone's intellect to say that information warfare that india, aka constant gaslighting and constant changes of reports, can be seen as 'winning'. As far as I can see only indians themselves and the rest of the anti-china cronies who have always been this way no matter what, that have been circlejerking and believing their own bs, which really fits my previous description. Your statement of 'PLA losing information war on everything but vietnam war' is also downright ignorant. Korean war is an easy example where china's reputation and prestige in the international world have increased greatly because of it. Same goes for 1962 war (which nets china with new ally in the region, pakistan), and many others.

You also of course are exaggerating the importance of these so called information war as if china's image would change for the hawks, adversaries, and the same old gullible people that already join the china hate bandwagon. Have you not tired yourself trying to do the impossible? This opinion of yours can be boil down to the same old argument about 'soft power', which I personally don't believe exists, but rather just an extension of the hard power. Easy supporting example like how pretty much all the local wars the america and by externsion the west have engaged since ww2 have been shunned and in hindsight have become a total disaster, with constant negative reports about it from everyone, all these should be theoretically be bad for their 'soft power' right? Yet do you really believe that its government at the top care? Does it do anything at all? I'm honestly just fuckin done with the constant sporadic pop out of this soft power vs hard power debate, it's so tiresome..

longmarch said:

And why you cheerleaders so obsessed with who I am? There is a thing called privacy in modern society and I'm just not going to tell you who I am. Oh I get it, there is no privacy in China!

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There is also a thing called misrepresentation, and hypocrazy...

Its one thing if your username was Superpowa2020 but dont call yourself longmarch, then pretend to be Chinese, and angle your false narrative as giving construstive critism to your motherland...

Your last sentence of the above quoted paragraph again gave you away... No Chinese speaks like that.

If India is winning the infowar against China but China has 6x the GDP of India, what does that say about the limits of softpower alone?

You guys have democrazy, English language and Western propoganda on your side and yet....

Homeless beggar on street corner can practice PUA Game all he wants he still doesnt stand a chance of scoring a hot woman against a millionaire who might not be a smooth talker...

Why so many PLA cheerleaders have this loser mentality? Like this piece of land is undefendable because of logistics; China's public image is undefendable so let's not even try.

No wonder you got so many Chinese attacked overseas, because they are undefendable.

Come on, in today's world, Many see you as a superpower already, yet you are unwilling to even try to defend your interests. Such a weak and outdated mindset. How can you win friends this way?

What a fucking joke.

longmarch said:

New cold war is here, so you chose to build a wall like the middle kingdom doing thousands years ago, cover your ears and be done with it? And you, are telling me that China has no friends whatsoever to win over, thus had to acknowledge public image defeat all together? Is this not what traitors would propose?

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China have a lot of friends already, and personally I don't want china to cater and try to the group of people who is currently spearheading the anti-china tirade. Who are these group of people who even worth it to do that, india? america? australia? Ew..

longmarch said:

By holding information, PLA behaved like the thief stealing bell. If there is no factual information, then rumor will take the place. And rumor is better than nothing, it's even better than fact because fact doesn't exist. you don't even have a thing to defend, because you have nothing!

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As if the indians would stop their lies and gaslighting if china can produce a rationally irrefutable evidence to conform with the chinese narrative. Again, its gullible people don't really have the intellect to do that, just look at the previous india-pakistan skirmish, even until know these indians believe that they downed the mythical pakistani jet, and they won the skirmish despite the absolute clownfiesta their conduct was, like shooting their own helicopter for lulz.

longmarch said:

And why you cheerleaders so obsessed with who I am? There is a thing called privacy in modern society and I'm just not going to tell you who I am. Oh I get it, there is no privacy in China!

Yet PLA hold their information like it's their biggest secret, for which the world will fall apart if released. What kind of mental gymnastics is this

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Anddd turns out you really are another indian in disguise lmao. Damn bro you should try harder next time, as you said no need with the mental gymnastics by trying to blend in as chinese and accusing real chinese here as traitor. Another classic indian gaslighting, wow can't imagine that happened whenever you interact with these people..

Okay there's zero doubt that he's just low effort trolling at this point. Ignore him and let the mods do their job.

longmarch said:

New cold war is here, so you chose to build a wall like the middle kingdom doing thousands years ago, cover your ears and be done with it? And you, are telling me that China has no friends whatsoever to win over, thus had to acknowledge public image defeat all together? Is this not what traitors would propose?

Today's world are sovereign nations competing for influence, and world is not just the West. Even among the West, they have different interests. Do you need me to teach this, you idiot?

By holding information, PLA behaved like the thief stealing bell. If there is no factual information, then rumor will take the place. And rumor is better than nothing, it's even better than fact because fact doesn't exist. you don't even have a thing to defend, because you have nothing!

And why you cheerleaders so obsessed with who I am? There is a thing called privacy in modern society and I'm just not going to tell you who I am. Oh I get it, there is no privacy in China!

Yet PLA hold their information like it's their biggest secret, for which the world will fall apart if released. What kind of mental gymnastics is this

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Please tell me how China can win friends in the world by telling how many had died immediately??? Are the US and the West going to be like: “WOW China is so transparent! Let’s be friends?”

I’m sure China lost plenty of friends because China didn’t disclose its casualties immediately! Because it is such an important thing to do in the eyes of other countries that it is worth losing Chinese friendship over with!

Ridiculous thinking, and clearly Indian. Everything that India does but China doesn’t is a victory in the Indian eyes.

Privacy is one thing. But pretending to be Chinese and giving false “constructive criticism” as a way to low key portray imagined Indian victory as fact on the internet is another.

quantumlight said:

There is also a thing called misrepresentation, and hypocrazy...

Its one thing if your username was Superpowa2020 but dont call yourself longmarch, then pretend to be Chinese, and angle your false narrative as giving construstive critism to your motherland...

Your last sentence of the above quoted paragraph again gave you away... No Chinese speaks like that.

If India is winning the infowar against China but China has 6x the GDP of India, what does that say about the limits of softpower alone?

You guys have democrazy, English language and Western propoganda on your side and yet....

Homeless beggar on street corner can practice PUA Game all he wants he still doesnt stand a chance of scoring a hot woman against a millionaire who might not be a smooth talker...

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Who said longmarch has to be Chinese? Don't you know there was a Vietnamese veteran named Long March? Can't people from other country like the spirit of Long March and use it as their username?

I see life as a struggle, so I chose this username, you got problem with that?

Why you have to be such narrow-minded?

You folks to need to understand that when it comes to geopolitics, 'perception' and 'friendships' are illusory and fleeting. At the end of the day it is all about raw power, which is a combination of mainly economic and military strength. The idea that China has lost the war of perception is foolhardy. Europe ex Britain doesn't seem to care, and is readily signing trade deals with China. Australia can't even get New Zealand on it's side. Japan and South Korea are smart enough to realize their own future is intertwined with China. Even the Biden administration has already put the China issue on the backburner.

India has lost whatever clout it had through all kinds of mismanagement and suppression of democratic principles in recent years. It is wasting its demographic dividend and would do well to stay together as a country in the coming decades. By the way, the only folks who seem to even care about Galwan and the border issue with China are Indians. Most people elsewhere in the world, Chinese included, couldn't care less, except the loss of life.

Don't you guys get it? The reason vested Anglo Saxon media interests are using this issue to demonize China is so that they could leverage India to be a thorn in China's side. They are using India to their advantage by saying words of solidarity and friendship. Of course they won't endorse the Chinese narrative. This is basic people skills.