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TheFoozyOne

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Why so many PLA cheerleaders have this loser mentality? Like this piece of land is undefendable because of logistics; China's public image is undefendable so let's not even try.

No wonder you got so many Chinese attacked overseas, because they are undefendable.

Come on, in today's world, Many see you as a superpower already, yet you are unwilling to even try to defend your interests. Such a weak and outdated mindset. How can you win friends this way?

What a fucking joke.
Clearly trolling now. Contradictions everywhere. So now you suggest to be tough to everyone and defending interests as a way to “win friends”???

Let me ask again, how does disclosing casualties number early help China’s image in any way? Is China going to get a pat on their back by Uncle Sam and the West?

I get that Indians crave Western recognition because of their inferiority complex, but China doesn’t exist to please the West. As for the rest of the world, no one except India cares about Chinese casualty numbers or when it gets disclosed.
 

manqiangrexue

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PLA just don't understand how to operate in a modern society. THEY JUST DON'T GET IT.
Says a peanut brain of the fastest growing modern society in the world LOL
And they got no deterrent.
No intelligent nations attack China. You can't deter stupid just like you can't deter an animal by showing it a gun.
For those PLA cheerleaders, you want to play bet with me? Superpower 2020 will come back and bite you again.
What kind of strawman bet is that? I think the Indians will be back too; they will be back unless you hand them a WWII style defeat. It's because they're stupid. You can't fix stupid.
NO DETERRENT! God damn it.
What a broken recorder
This border issue has become a safety valve for India's internal politics. You would think it should be otherwise. What a joke.
Indian incompetence is not our business.
Well said, thumbs up!

In terms of releasing factual information, PLA behaved like a thief!
It's our information; nobody is entitled to it until we want to release it. You can demand nothing; you behave like an entitled child.
For all the conflicts China got into, PLA lost each and every information warfare, with the exception of Vietnam war.
According to your terrible judgement as seen below (and everywhere else).
Informed decision my ass. Stupid cheerleaders care more about who I am than taking some serious reflection on how this damaged China's image in this world.
China's image has never been good in the world because the world media is run by Western media. Trying to please them is wasting your time; you can give someone a vaccine and they will accuse you of trying to poison him. Only real strength can change this tide before any PR attempts are made.

I don't care who you are but you sure sound like tidalwave...
And they say they don't care. Fucking morons.
The fucking moron is you for trying to please people who are inherently racist against him.
You don't even understand how modern society works. Debating with you is just wasting my time.
Funny, we all feel that way about you.
New cold war is here, so you chose to build a wall like the middle kingdom doing thousands years ago, cover your ears and be done with it? And you, are telling me that China has no friends whatsoever to win over, thus had to acknowledge public image defeat all together? Is this not what traitors would propose?
No, traitors propose what you propose, to waste energy attempting to curry the favor of those who cannot be on your side until you are the strongest and they have no choice. Patriots advocate real strength through growth.
Today's world are sovereign nations competing for influence, and world is not just the West. Even among the West, they have different interests. Do you need me to teach this, you idiot?
We know this better than you, fool, but we know that it depends on strength, not running your mouth.
By holding information, PLA behaved like the thief stealing bell. If there is no factual information, then rumor will take the place. And rumor is better than nothing, it's even better than fact because fact doesn't exist. you don't even have a thing to defend, because you have nothing!
A thief stealing his own information? We owe it to no one to release what we have until we want to. The decision was made by informed personnel and the effects are much better than anything you can image with your peanut brain. You do your dumb shit your way, the PLA and the CCP will do it the successful way.
And why you cheerleaders so obsessed with who I am? There is a thing called privacy in modern society and I'm just not going to tell you who I am. Oh I get it, there is no privacy in China!
Hmmm, really, your points offer so much to attack I don't need to attack you as a person but you sound more and more like tidalwave as the conversation goes on.
Yet PLA hold their information like it's their biggest secret, for which the world will fall apart if released. What kind of mental gymnastics is this
Why so many PLA cheerleaders have this loser mentality?
And what victories do you have to speak of to call others losers?
Like this piece of land is undefendable because of logistics;
If land is difficult to defend and worthless, it can be reconquered when the other side oversteps. We don't need to camp people permanently in such a place. Why don't you go live there and defend it?
China's public image is undefendable so let's not even try.
You like trying to do things that are rigged against you, right? So your time is not valuable; don't complain about waste of time then post endless garbage here. It's what your time is for.
No wonder you got so many Chinese attacked overseas, because they are undefendable.
What an idiotic off-topic attempt from someone who clearly has no logic left to fall back on.
Come on, in today's world, Many see you as a superpower already, yet you are unwilling to even try to defend your interests.
Not sure what you're talking about; China's interests everywhere including the SCS to the border with India are being defended. You must have defending interests confused with going to war like a rabid dog.
Such a weak and outdated mindset.
It's so weak it has the entire West in alarm over China's rise LOL
How can you win friends this way?
And yet China wins friends everywhere with its global perception on the rise in virtually all non-anglosphere dominated regions. Just because China is strong and doing the right thing, not because it's running its mouth harder than everyone else as you wish.
What a fucking joke.
I assume you mean your morning lack of medication today.
So factual information is just casualty number, you dumb ass?
Says the person who everyone else thinks is a dumb-ass.
 

twineedle

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LOL when did this ever happen in July?

Classic Indian moves again. Bog down the discussion with mountains and mountains of BS claims and if asked to support, always with doctored or dateless "satellite footage irrefutable!".

China never moved back until disengagement agreed by both sides. No idea on details of disengagement but I suggest the Jai Hind hotheads refrain from speculating and propagating Jai Hind bullshit until real and consistent news come out from Chinese side.

Apply critical thinking. Anyone and everyone can disprove China's official version of events and news and the evidence to disprove that nations would have are respectable. But notice they don't?

It would be easy for India to disprove any and all Chinese news if they were indeed false. The Indians don't because the Chinese version is actually truthful. The Chinese state don't dare make these fake news because they would be utterly bombarded by narratives from India to USA if they were caught out with fake news. The Indians were caught out by third parties e.g. bold and utterly bullshit claims on PLA deaths that number more than 4 or 5 with zero reputable sources propagating it EXCEPT TASS who have now embarrassingly for India, made statements to mention that their number of 45 PLA loss was from an unverified INDIAN Source... you know those Indian anonymous sources that also claim 100+ PLA deaths and Taiwan shooting down a Su-35 back in 2020... yeah lol.

Disengagement could be because India is opening up some other fronts with China like in the Mcmahon line side or AP with similar intrusion like the October 2020 one into Reqin or China proper. China probably sees they would either need a decisive war with India to stop these things or to come to some agreement. Indians are honeslty less worthy an opponent. There is really not much for China to gain but plenty of India and let's face it, India China war would be to the absolute glee of the US as well as China spends material on sorting India out. IA really is much less worthwhile but if IA did push hard again and into other fronts, personally I wouldn't mind seeing modern PLA give the Indians a new lesson. Modi and the RSS mini Hitlers are just too ball-less to really push as evidenced by unwillingness to engage China despite PLA spending an entire year inside India's claims.
Are you denying that there was a disengagement between India and China at Galwan in July 2020? I am not even arguing about the casualty count, I accept that India suffered more casualties, but that is irrelevant to this discussion. The point is India and China already disengaged from PP14 leading to status quo ante in Galwan. Don't know why you are trying to deny that.
 

kahi

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New cold war is here, so you chose to build a wall like the middle kingdom doing thousands years ago, cover your ears and be done with it? And you, are telling me that China has no friends whatsoever to win over, thus had to acknowledge public image defeat all together? Is this not what traitors would propose?

Today's world are sovereign nations competing for influence, and world is not just the West. Even among the West, they have different interests. Do you need me to teach this, you idiot?

By holding information, PLA behaved like the thief stealing bell. If there is no factual information, then rumor will take the place. And rumor is better than nothing, it's even better than fact because fact doesn't exist. you don't even have a thing to defend, because you have nothing!

And why you cheerleaders so obsessed with who I am? There is a thing called privacy in modern society and I'm just not going to tell you who I am. Oh I get it, there is no privacy in China!

Yet PLA hold their information like it's their biggest secret, for which the world will fall apart if released. What kind of mental gymnastics is this
China's withholding of information is used as a leverage in negotiations and to keep the Indian government on its toes. It is the only logical reason for the official silence from the GOI since the release of the video. I am sure there is much more video and drone footages around to embarrass them should the need arise. I have personally seen a photo of a fallen Indian soldier which suggest to me the Chinese were in full control of the battleground. I have read through most of the Indian accounts and following the release of the Chinese video, it is not difficult to connect the dots and get a full picture of what had happened. As per an Indian journalist report, the Chinese reinforcements went on a high tech hunting spree using drones to avenge their fallen comrades. I have no proof but I believe the Indian commander was hunted down and killed as he was held responsible and the rest were collateral damage. A Reuters report that India is set to clear some new investment proposals from China in coming weeks is a clue to what China gets in return for the withdrawal. Ultimately it is in both countries' interest to keep the peace and look for win-win situations. Having bragging rights serve nobody's interests.
 

azretonov

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You are essentially saying public diplomacy is useless during conflict and pandemic. Utter nonsense.

What I've said is quite clear and doesn't need to be explained.

"In cases such as this, selling the storyline is about public diplomacy. That has a negligible effect on this particular event, especially during a pandemic."

Good thing I don't crave your approval. You're welcome to prove me wrong with a neutral posture as I don't buy the "what would the world think" nonsense. If it had the functionality, it should have solved the crises in the Mediterranean before the Himalayas.
 

twineedle

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Uhh no. The chinese side has been consistent since the beginning that all of these happened because you, indians, are the instigator who tries to take advantage of china during its pandemic control. I chuckle a bit after kakyan and finally you somehow 'boast' about the transgression that you did in the border area. Modi really lead by example, he taught his people how to agree with our narrative. Hence, every measures that china has taken against you, the instigator, no matter how whether china gains or even cross the original LAC, should be counted as a justified defensive act. Any 'offensive' later on, given your admission, is a justified preventive measure against the reckless behavior of the indians.
So you are admitting that both sides cross the LAC. Good. BTW you can't have it both ways, either China captured Indian territory or India violated the LAC. BTW, the Indian army cancelled last Spring's exercise in Eastern LAdakh to avoid spreading covid to the Ladakhi people, so there is no way India tried to take advantage of the Pandemic.
 

longmarch

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Ok kids, let me teach you this:
When PLA or red army started, they started as gurilla, small and appeared weak, as it should be. Even as they grew stronger, like in Korean War, it's still appeared weak in terms of raw power, which fits their image.


Now you are God damn military and economic superpower, nobody buys your weak image. Joke is on your side and the best you can do is to defend your interests with factual information. Because you don't have 5 eyes to help you dispense rumors.

You are not a gurilla force anymore. You need to change your mindset and modernize your operations. To do that, you need to change your organization and fire those middle-kindom thinking ones!

Your obsession with who I am is absurd. I'm just not gonna tell you
 

twineedle

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Way to go twisting everything to concoct a better palatable narrative regarding Depsang. Depsang is one of those regions where the press hasn't been kind to India.

No. You can't claim Depsang is a case of "normal intrusions" as it is actively being blocked by PLA from Indian patrols which tried to go past Y junc.

You receive consolation prize for the effort.
But the y junction is on the Chinese side of the LAC


you can't "capture" territory without physically occupying it, and China doesnt have any camps past the y junction

Once again, you can't have it both ways, your claims of 1000 km captured and India vioating the LAC contradict each other.
 

localizer

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Ok kids, let me teach you this:
When PLA or red army started, they started as gurilla, small and appeared weak, as it should be. Even as they grew stronger, like in Korean War, it's still appeared weak in terms of raw power, which fits their image.


Now you are God damn military and economic superpower, nobody buys your weak image. Joke is on your side and the best you can do is to defend your interests with factual information. Because you don't have 5 eyes to help you dispense rumors.

You are not a gurilla force anymore. You need to change your mindset and modernize your operations. To do that, you need to change your organization and fire those middle-kindom thinking ones!

Your obsession with who I am is absurd. I'm just not gonna tell you


China is at fault for underestimating Indian incivility and lack of honor. That’s why China sent 5 guys into lion’s den and ended up with a quagmire.

Indian army is worse than ISIS, barbaric af
 

twineedle

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They did pay the price. The Indians had their commander and lieutenant both killed and possibly more seniors killed amongst the 20+ they admitted to.

They had over 40 Jawans captured with lower ranks returned the following days and senior ranked held up to a week.

Not even considering the 20+ killed (according to China, from injuries and exposure rather than the PLA's hand), that is the price they paid.

But it really must be said here that they were only defending what India considers their territory. Unfortunately the PLA had to respond with such a firm move back in Feb-May due to unprecedented levels of Indian intrusions into what both dispute. This isn't too different from the Chinese perspective who view the situation as defending their land from increased Indian patrols and illegitimate claims. The development was simply different and escalated differently with what seems to be China sort of determining where it goes with minimally effective Indian means of challenging as evidenced from Feb to now. I mean if during this whole year, the Indians managed to get the PLA out of finger 4 camps by force and capture from finger 4 to 8 and associated claims north of the lake, then yeah the Indians were able to reverse PLA's moves but they had a few tries and the only result was needless loss of life without strategic wins.

Basically a watered down summary is the following.

2019-Feb 2020: Increased Indian intrusions from Galwan up to finger 8 at Pangong.

Feb 2020: PLA was ordered to respond in one swoop to capture up to finger 4 and associated Chinese claim points to push out the Indians and establish at least a temporary control of all Chinese claims in response to India's slow but confident ingress into disputed parts.

Feb 2020 onwards: IA ordered to respond to PLA aggression and we have the clashes in May (original reports of confrontations everywhere including one where a large group of Indians were "subdued" and tied up with that photo) however there were plenty of confrontation events and points at which these happened. Also culminated in June fights under the lead of Babu. Following this, India continued to challenge PLA's move with ingress into China proper - Reqin, back in October to capture something to negotiate with. Promptly removed and the IA settled to within throwing distance of PLA's positions from Galwan to Black Top and Helmet top, removing PLA's range advantages if any. This prevents PLA from moving further as well, not that they did.

Now: Both sides agree to creating buffer in the dispute with neither side ingressing and building, patrolling etc. Done, PLA moves back and India also gets that win but India's original confident intrusions and increased patrols are also no longer conducted which satisfies China's wishes as well. Leaving this stretch to continue as a dispute... boring but admittedly sensible even for China.
Except India had never patrolled up to finger 8. Read what Colonel Dinny, who commanded troops on Pangong said. Since 1962, the area between finger 4 and 8 was a buffer zone, although PLA would patrol it more often after they built a road from fingers 8 to 4. Throughout the whole standoff India had been seeking a return to staus quo ante, which would mean new constructions removed adn a buffer zone restored.
 
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