Let's be fair to them, because it absolutely was an impossible task. How would anyone survive 120 seconds in a chopper when their own SAM batteries are out to get them? Abhinandan should be glad he didn't get rescued by their SAR teams (if they even manage to get to him), because it would have been certain death once they get shot down on their way back in anyway
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Let's be fair to them, because it absolutely was an impossible task. How would anyone survive 120 seconds in a chopper when their own SAM batteries are out to get them? Abhinandan should be glad he didn't get rescued by their SAR teams (if they even manage to get to him), because it would have been certain death once they get shot down on their way back in anyway
I don’t understand you at all... the MIG itself might be disposable but it seems you, and the IAF for that matter, have no regard for the pilot either... you realise that WW2 was a total war scenario... you either win or you die... the ‘surgical strike’ is hardly comparable. Also I find your lack of care for your pilot disturbing, you realise they are the ones who will be putting their lives on the line so you can continue to be a keyboard warrior right? And here you are saying how disposable the war plane he was be using, and staking his live on, to defend your ass is, instead of going to the Indian government... ‘you corrupt b**tards, put the lives of our brave soldiers at risk by being incompetent in planning the procurement of equipment or ok-ing a flawed op...’
This is hindsight and it is always 20/20... at the time there was no guarantees you would be getting your pilot back... a recovery team should have been on standby and was on the move as soon as it was confirmed there was any chance to recover the pilot
That’s no excuse... it just means your gov either lied to your people to make themselves look good or your people are idiots for believing in their BS explanation if all was laid bare... and the fact that the people didn’t turn around to the government and demand immediate action instead continued to vote for them just shows how ridiculous India has become...
Your nation is a joke.
Your armed farces is bigger joke.
But you my friend, the general internet warrior indians, are biggest joke of them all.
MwRYum
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Speaking of which, because there was a question on Quora came up that happens to be "reasonable" so I ended up take a look at India media scene concerning the "disengagement". fair to say that all the major outlets stick to the "disengagement" instead of something more...sensational, as I'd have expected them to be dancing to that by now.
Certainly the other Jai Hind type doesn't see it that way, but that's their problem.
Certainly the other Jai Hind type doesn't see it that way, but that's their problem.
Read again. I said he is the only one with access to ground info who has spoken to media. Others who also have same info such corps and division commanders have not yet spoken in media on this.
Wrong analogy since both PAF and PLAAF still use Chengdu J-7 as cheap cannon fodders. Which one do you rhink will affect PLAAF more psychologically in a skirmish with USAF, a J-7 tin can getting knocked out or a J-10C.
Why do you think till 2019 atleast we placed Mig 21 is all bases closes to Pakistan border such as Srinagar or Pathankot??? It is because we know they will take losses in the initial skirmish and hence it is better if we loose a MiG rather than a Sukhois or Mirage 2000
Firstly even western think tanks have admitted that if India missed it was only because of difference in coordinates system between GPS and Indian maps. Nearest PAF interceptors were a 100 miles away as per Indian commander
Talk is cheap. Despite outnumbering IAF 4th gen defenders 6:1, PAF could not shoot a single one.
In real war where it is PAF who will be outnumbered most of the time, this is very bad news for PAF.
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It should not make you sad since Pakistan themsleves uses F-7P/PG as disposable aircraft and Type 59 tanks as disposable MBTs.
It's a useful tactic.
manqiangrexue
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Read again? You wrote this: "No he is the only one who knows the ground reality plus only one with access to ISR data." Where does it say media anything? LOL I know Indians are terrible at almost everything but English is something they should be good at (and we all know why
)No. LOLOL Not at all. The Chinese military use J-7 for training and low threat missions; our pilots' lives are important, unlike in India. The only J-7 that may be used as fodder would be converted drones. If you are to be believed, then only India uses its own pilots as cannon fodder.
Sorry, we don't send jets in to lose and then claim that they were obsolete in order to feel better. When China engages, it's to win. And you're confused; no Chinese jets were shot down by the Americans; it was an Indian jet that was shot down by Pakistan and its pilot captured. As for what part is most psychologically disturbing, I would say easily the part where India tried to retaliate but instead shot down its own helicopter killing 7. If this happened in China, that would definitely be the most disturbing, but it we didn't do it; you did.
Indian defeats and excuses are cheap and plentiful. Everything in life is very bad news for India.
Don't make things up. You, an Indian, are the only person, whom in 2021, is still saying that live pilots and fighter jets are disposable fodder. No Chinese or Pakistani person ever made this claim. Everybody else uses drones because unlike Indian lives, their lives are important. It's a useful tactic for fooling oneself only.
None of them has been reported to get caught. Your "jawan" was paraded in front of of the world after getting thrashed like a lollipop that is chewed up badly because your tin can force can't afford anything better.I applaud indian "government" for once because of taking the most logical decision & not giving SU30 in hands of your pilot. They still must get nightmare of that poor Mi17 that ended up in nearby sewer
Read my post carefully... And try to understand. Only a weaker nation will employed such a tactics against a superior enemy, not the other way round (have you see US employ this type of tactic against the Iraqi). It is a useful tactic if you have no other way round. And since the Indians have been claiming to be superior to Pakistan and perhaps China, using this tactic is s blalantly wasteful and with absolutely no regards for the servicemen fighting for ur country... Or perhaps the Indians are lying to their people the entire time?
And to boast that you get back your pilot is another shameful claim. At that time, nobody never know if the pilot will return or kill.
I wonder if higher ups in the IA share Kakyan’s attitude. Scary if they do.
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