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Nobonita Barua

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More fanboyish claims.
MiG 21s were used as a delaying action as we did not want to risk our 2 Su-30 & 2 Mirage 2000 as they were outnumbered 6:1 until the 24 Su-30/MiG-29 arrived as reinforcements from bases in Punjab and Haryana.
But PAF too did not want to engage when outnumbered as simply turned back to their bases when Indian reinforcements started arriving.

Also Abhinandan crash location was 7 km inside POK which means it is impossible to rescue him as neither India nor Pakistan can mount an op so deep in peacetime along the heaily fortified LOC
Because your fanboy was busy shooting Mi17s?
Where was this reinforcement? I mean how do you know if there was any reinforcement sent at all?
 

Kakyan

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So basically, he's the person who would look the most retarded if it came out that he did lose territory, making him the most prone to bias, right? It's funny you have all these rules you want people to follow for which Indians to trust and which to distrust in order to arrive at the conclusion you most desire. And even though we don't have to adhere at all by your rules, we're still entertaining them because India's so screwed we just want to see what's left for Indians to spin
No he is the only one who knows the ground reality plus only one with access to ISR data


Are you not embarrassed at all? Is this the thick skin that Indians have developed from failing so much? Your enemy shoots down your jet, so you call it a tin can. That's really unimaginable to Chinese people. If your MKI or MiG-29 were shot down, you would call it a Russian POS, and if your Rafales or Mirages were downed, they'd be French junk. You really have no shame. The ghosts of your dead soldiers are probably saying things like, "The Chinese just killed that useless body. It was malnourished, weak, and had high blood pressure. That they didn't kill our president raises questions about their resolve." LOL
Wrong and made up.
Our MiG-21 are disposable just like Soviets considered obsolete Po-16 to be disposable during WW2.

The posts are numerous and require you to just go back a few pages. Most of the reports about territorial losses are not from "anonymous" sources.

In the few cases where the sources are anonymous maybe its because they are afraid of retribution and disciplinary action for not toeing the official discourse.

The sources not anonymous can be a part of a disinformation campaign targeting both the domestic as well as International audience.

That brings us back to the topic of Major YK joshi. He has been on record saying he doesn't know the exact number of Chinese casualties and engaged in mere speculation - even going as far quoting a line obscure Russian source (TASS) that had anonymous quoting and number 45.

All this very long months after China openly released images of dead soldiers and gave back numerous captured Indian soldiers.
Wrong. All them are either private opinion pieces by private analysts or based on anon sources.

Also YK Joahi is LT Gen and not Major plus TASS is official Russian government news agency not obscure one
 

Kakyan

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As if your enemy is just going to wait for you to catch up? That's not how war works. You had the option to escalate, like we escalated after your failed strike at Balakot. But instead of hitting back, you backed down and are now whining like a spoiled brat. And before you cry about how it was so unfair, we literally told you that we would strike the day before. And you still fucked it up
We had no reson to escalate We did not lose anything valuable and got vack our pilot. Plus Modi gained dozens of seats in the election thanks to Balakot.
Most importantly terrorist attacks in Kashnir drastically reduced post Balakot

Because your fanboy was busy shooting Mi17s?
Where was this reinforcement? I mean how do you know if there was any reinforcement sent at all?
Watch then Western Air Commanders interview.


7 clicks is literally a 120 second ride on a chopper. You're right though, it would be "impossible." Your "brave jawans" couldn't rescue a cat from a tree, let alone your splashed pilot
This is not a video games.
In the past 20 years neither Pakistani nor Indian helicopters have crossed LoC by even 1 km let alone seven km.

In fact your army could not even rescue your security forces personnel who were captured by soldiers of TTP on multiple occasion from 2007-15 even though they were held in your territory.
 

manqiangrexue

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No he is the only one who knows the ground reality plus only one with access to ISR data
Oh he's the only one who knows what's going on?? Well that's why India's failing so badly in all of your conflicts! Only 1 guy knows what's going on! The rest of them are there trying to figure out where they are, what they're doing and what's going on! Just one guy and he wants to keep his job so he's gotta spin the truth for it... tsk tsk India...
Wrong and made up.
Our MiG-21 are disposable just like Soviets considered obsolete Po-16 to be disposable during WW2.
You know what's wrong and made-up? That manned fighters are disposable along with the pilots inside. That's what drones are for LOL. He could have taken a missile hit to the cockpit or his ejection could have went wrong and he could have died. Hell, the civilians on the ground nearly beat him to death and he had to be saved by Pakistani armed forces. But I guess everything is disposable in India, the jets, the pilots, the helicopters of course, the economy, the country LOLOL

PS. J-6 was the last fighter jet built on the philosophy that fighters are disposable; I guess India today is where China was when the J-6 was designed.
 
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FishWings

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PAF managing to shoot Only a tin can called MiG 21 despite outnumbering 6-1 and dropping bombs on empty soil also raises questions on its resolve.
They bombed your empty soil because you bombed their empty soil. Difference is they bombed empty soil right next to your HQ as a warning, and you were forced to bomb soil because otherwise you would have lost multiple Mirages to Pak CAPs on the 26th and not just a 'tin can' on the 27th.

And PAF would have shot down your Sukhois the next day if IAF didn't turn tail and scatter like roaches after being met by PAF. Like they did the first time. Abhinandan didn't get the memo though because Pakistan fried your comms. Obviously they aren't obsolete enough seeing how IAF saw it a worthy investment to modernize them with new radars and a huge assortment of Israeli crap, stick R-73/77s on, and continues to use as a frontline asset against Pakistan even today. I'm not even sure why whether Bisons being obsolete or not is used to downplay the fact that your air force screwed up and got railed by Pakistani counterparts. Like that is just peak Ah Q behavior right there. Imagine if it was the case that PLAAF lost a J-7 to ROCAF, and didn't do anything in retaliation but instead made baseless lies about non-existent F-16s that the J-7 totally shot down before it got AMRAAM'd in the face, and it didn't matter because J-7s are outdated junk anyway. If this exact series of events took place, it would be used by every potential adversary, especially India, as objective proof that PLA is in fact not just a paper tiger, but a paper tiger which is also a pathetic and incompetent liar.

The entire show with Pakistan alone is enough to never take statements from Indian officials seriously. That's not even beginning to count the other times in which they have repeatedly said things that are later proven to be BS with ease. Statements from Chinese officials (not including retired) are taken seriously on the other hand because they haven't ruined their own credibility repeatedly, unlike Indian officials who insisted nothing was lost on 2/27 until it got shoved in their faces on live TV.
 

rhino123

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Our MiG-21 are disposable just like Soviets considered obsolete Po-16 to be disposable during WW2.
Reading this post made me sad. Only a weak nation that are on the verge of being conquered by another more powerful nation would use that tactic... If India is as powerful as she made it up to be... And can fight multiple fronts against China and Pakistan... There simply is no need to use this wasteful tactic... With disregards to the pilot life. In WW2... Soviet was pretty weak against the Germans in the beginning... That's why they do what was being done.

So... In many aspects... If what you say reflected a bit of what was actually happening .. India was a much weaker country than I first give him credit for... And it had no regards to the lives of its servicemen, people and anything.

I am sorry... I never seemed to recall a truly powerful nation... Like the US ever did that to their servicemen after WW2... And India even against a do call weaker Pakistan is employing that obsolete tactics... So sad.
 
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