Ladakh Flash Point

jfy1155 said:

Q) Speaking about Galwan, the Indian Army never put out the number of the fatalities that the Chinese had suffered. Is there a rough estimation that we have? What is a number that will not enter the arena of speculation?

I don’t want to make an estimate. While the incident happened, we had our OPs sitting and observing the area. We were able to count a large number of casualties, which were being picked up on stretchers and taken back. More than 60 actually, but whether they were fatal or non-fatal, we can't say with authority so I will not give a figure. But recently, TASS, the

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and I think that could be the figure we can look at.

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Indian general Joshi does not even know the number of PLA death from its own source but it relies on a short paragraph Russian news article as a source.

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This. Exactly.

A major general doesn't know about the losses suffered on the opposing side or is playing around with numbers isn't so comforting especially from an Indian perspective. Realistically two or three possibilities are there -

1. That Major is engaging in disinformation tactics. Which is very fair in war and strife context. But that makes all his positions open for great scrutiny for anyone seeking objective facts.

2. The Major indeed doesn't know what exactly happens within China and PLA and have to depend on open source numbers from some news agency that doesn't have a source or author. That's really bad and doesn't bode well in a wider context.

3. The General tries to play down tensions with China. Noble but doesn't look good in the context of China openly divulging Indian losses and even displaying dead bodies. If India doesn't do the same, it means it accepts its weaker position.

jfy1155 said:

Q) Speaking about Galwan, the Indian Army never put out the number of the fatalities that the Chinese had suffered. Is there a rough estimation that we have? What is a number that will not enter the arena of speculation?

I don’t want to make an estimate. While the incident happened, we had our OPs sitting and observing the area. We were able to count a large number of casualties, which were being picked up on stretchers and taken back. More than 60 actually, but whether they were fatal or non-fatal, we can't say with authority so I will not give a figure. But recently, TASS, the

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Indian general Joshi does not even know the number of PLA death from its own source but it relies on a short paragraph Russian news article as a source.

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They were counting Chinese stretchers but not tending to their own lost, why?

James Zhen said:

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TLDR: Indian Commander got instantly bonked in the head and bled to death and Indians fled via jumping the lake resulting the PLA medics spent 8 hours trying to convince they're not death squads when they literally had red cross symbols on their medbags. Videos and Pictures of the incident has been confirmed but not released yet.

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I hope General Joshi didn’t mistaken the Jawans in stretchers with Chinese casualties... Post states that Chinese medical personnel saved around fifty of them, most of whom were released ASAP.

jfy1155 said:

Q) Speaking about Galwan, the Indian Army never put out the number of the fatalities that the Chinese had suffered. Is there a rough estimation that we have? What is a number that will not enter the arena of speculation?

I don’t want to make an estimate. While the incident happened, we had our OPs sitting and observing the area. We were able to count a large number of casualties, which were being picked up on stretchers and taken back. More than 60 actually, but whether they were fatal or non-fatal, we can't say with authority so I will not give a figure. But recently, TASS, the

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and I think that could be the figure we can look at.

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Indian general Joshi does not even know the number of PLA death from its own source but it relies on a short paragraph Russian news article as a source.

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I'm not sure why this is even worth discussing, Indian estimation has being a joke from the very start, the fact of the matter is that the Chinese side has taken many prisoners including high ranking officers while the Indian side has taken none. This is clearly a major rout at the very least. According to the Indians themselves, they were ambushed by a superior number of armed men at night.

There is literally not a single factor based that supports the Indian side coming out on top, the only explanation that they could come out with is....."We simply did, don't ask".

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Indeed, this is just the start. I think in the future, there would be a full reversal of the Indian position in Chinese investments and apps ban. This is what the Chinese have negotiated. It would be very difficult for the Indians to flop back to being militarily hostile against China given the bitter lessons that they learned during this stand-off.

siegecrossbow said:

They were counting Chinese stretchers but not tending to their own lost, why?

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Interestingly Indian soldiers didn't take pictures or videos of the PLA troops on stretchers as they claim but yet they like take pictures of PLA troops just standing around.

jfy1155 said:

Interestingly Indian soldiers didn't take pictures or videos of the PLA troops on stretchers as they claim but yet they like take pictures of PLA troops just standing around.

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That's because everyone on those stretchers were Indian pow after having their behinds kicked. Too embarrassing to take photos... Also then they can claim they were PLA casualties.

They have to count the stretchers to know how many men they lost, too scared to go back for their guys... Their motto is leave every man behind and run.

PiSigma said:

That's because everyone on those stretchers were Indian pow after having their behinds kicked. Too embarrassing to take photos... Also then they can claim they were PLA casualties.

They have to count the stretchers to know how many men they lost, too scared to go back for their guys... Their motto is leave every man behind and run.

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Same way with their claims of PLA casualties due to cold weather/high altitude acclimation. According to Indian media at least one soldier was carried away everyday from the frontlines as verified by Indian observers. You'd think that they take photos or videos. Instead they have to rely on bogus videos of malfunctioning Chinese rocket launchers (actually a Russian Iglas) for trolling purposes.

Kakyan said:

More fanboyish claims.
MiG 21s were used as a delaying action as we did not want to risk our 2 Su-30 & 2 Mirage 2000 as they were outnumbered 6:1 until the 24 Su-30/MiG-29 arrived as reinforcements from bases in Punjab and Haryana.
But PAF too did not want to engage when outnumbered as simply turned back to their bases when Indian reinforcements started arriving.

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As if your enemy is just going to wait for you to catch up? That's not how war works. You had the option to escalate, like we escalated after your failed strike at Balakot. But instead of hitting back, you backed down and are now whining like a spoiled brat. And before you cry about how it was so unfair, we literally told you that we would strike the day before. And you still fucked it up.

Kakyan said:

Also Abhinandan crash location was 7 km inside POK which means it is impossible to rescue him

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7 clicks is literally a 120 second ride on a chopper. You're right though, it would be "impossible." Your "brave jawans" couldn't rescue a cat from a tree, let alone your splashed pilot.