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Xizor

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But India too moved back from Pangong Tso.

What makes it a demonstration of Indian resolve much more than the demonstration of Chinese resolve?

Wouldn't it mean China succeeded in discouraging India from taking back "Aksai Chin" as claimed by rhetorical speech of a senior politician there ?

China has only improved its infrastructure buildup in and around the region.
 

Xizor

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More fanboyish claims.
MiG 21s were used as a delaying action as we did not want to risk our 2 Su-30 & 2 Mirage 2000 as they were outnumbered 6:1 until the 24 Su-30/MiG-29 arrived as reinforcements from bases in Punjab and Haryana.
But PAF too did not want to engage when outnumbered as simply turned back to their bases when Indian reinforcements started arriving.

Also Abhinandan crash location was 7 km inside POK which means it is impossible to rescue him as neither India nor Pakistan can mount an op so deep in peacetime along the heaily fortified LOC
Gotta accommodate that fellow Pakistani fanboyism. Because to strike a non military target, at night, by standoff Glide munitions using Foreign aircrafts and foreign manufactured munitions pose a question about resolve and readiness for escalation when contrasted with the Pakistani counter action - quick, next day itself, under broad sunlight.
 

Kakyan

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What real world? You just said all Indian sources are either pro-Modi or anti-Modi, nothing neutral. The claims of territorial loss also come from Indian officials; why's this one better? Anything that claims that India backed off China is clearly false. There is nothing in India's recent or long term history that suggests it could do that; there is only incompetence and chest-thumping to cover incompetence. In the end, the problem is that there is no real world in India; everything is BS. And you're just picking the BS view that you like the most and pretending everything else is BS, which is what they say of your view too. In other words, you're just another crab calling other crabs crabs.
No I said all Indian media analysis or articles quoting anonymous sources are BS. This one is direct public statement by the most powerful of all Indian commanders in the region and not an article written by some journalist.

All claims of Indian territorial loss come from anonymous sources and knowing the reliability of Indian media they may not even exist.

Only trust statements given by Indian officials just like Chinese trust only statements given by their officials (not a problem for China as their is no opposition party in China)
 

Kakyan

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Gotta accommodate that fellow Pakistani fanboyism. Because to strike a non military target, at night, by standoff Glide munitions using Foreign aircrafts and foreign manufactured munitions pose a question about resolve and readiness for escalation when contrasted with the Pakistani counter action - quick, next day itself, under broad sunlight.
PAF managing to shoot Only a tin can called MiG 21 despite outnumbering 6-1 and dropping bombs on empty soil also raises questions on its resolve.
 

Xizor

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PAF managing to shoot Only a tin can called MiG 21 despite outnumbering 6-1 and dropping bombs on empty soil also raises questions on its resolve.
No its doesn't. But it's certainly what you'd want to believe considering the enmity between Pakistan and India.

India didn't manage to do damage other than destroy some trees as per the Pakistanis.
 

manqiangrexue

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No I said all Indian media analysis or articles quoting anonymous sources are BS. This one is direct public statement by the most powerful of all Indian commanders in the region and not an article written by some journalist. All claims of Indian territorial loss come from anonymous sources and knowing the reliability of Indian media they may not even exist.
So basically, he's the person who would look the most retarded if it came out that he did lose territory, making him the most prone to bias, right? It's funny you have all these rules you want people to follow for which Indians to trust and which to distrust in order to arrive at the conclusion you most desire. And even though we don't have to adhere at all by your rules, we're still entertaining them because India's so screwed we just want to see what's left for Indians to spin.
Only trust statements given by Indian officials just like Chinese trust only statements given by their officials (not a problem for China as their is no opposition party in China)
I don't trust Indian anything and I think it's obvious why.
PAF managing to shoot Only a tin can called MiG 21 despite outnumbering 6-1 and dropping bombs on empty soil also raises questions on its resolve.
Are you not embarrassed at all? Is this the thick skin that Indians have developed from failing so much? Your enemy shoots down your jet, so you call it a tin can. That's really unimaginable to Chinese people. If your MKI or MiG-29 were shot down, you would call it a Russian POS, and if your Rafales or Mirages were downed, they'd be French junk. You really have no shame. The ghosts of your dead soldiers are probably saying things like, "The Chinese just killed that useless body. It was malnourished, weak, and had high blood pressure. That they didn't kill our president raises questions about their resolve." LOL
 

JSL

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So basically, he's the person who would look the most retarded if it came out that he did lose territory, making him the most prone to bias, right? It's funny you have all these rules you want people to follow for which Indians to trust and which to distrust in order to arrive at the conclusion you most desire. And even though we don't have to adhere at all by your rules, we're still entertaining them because India's so screwed we just want to see what's left for Indians to spin.

I don't trust Indian anything and I think it's obvious why.

Are you not embarrassed at all? Is this the thick skin that Indians have developed from failing so much? Your enemy shoots down your jet, so you call it a tin can. That's really unimaginable to Chinese people. If your MKI or MiG-29 were shot down, you would call it a Russian POS, and if your Rafales or Mirages were downed, they'd be French junk. You really have no shame. The ghosts of your dead soldiers are probably saying things like, "The Chinese just killed that useless body. It was malnourished, weak, and had high blood pressure. That they didn't kill our president raises questions about their resolve." LOL

Trust the ones I posted.

Those are indian sources they clearly showed what happened.

Even the western source. Bloomberg showed the same conclusion.

As the dust begins to settle, the victor and lose begin to emerger.

China shines in glory.

india stinks in sewer.

:cool:
 

PiSigma

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Trust the ones I posted.

Those are indian sources they clearly showed what happened.

Even the western source. Bloomberg showed the same conclusion.

As the dust begins to settle, the victor and lose begin to emerger.

China shines in glory.

india stinks in sewer.

:cool:
Please don't insult sewers, they don't have those in India. Next time seige may give you a week holiday for discrimination against sewers. Afterall, sewers have been serving a meaningful purpose for the last 5000 years.

Kakyan need to post more, it's like reading the funny threads.
 

Xizor

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All claims of Indian territorial loss come from anonymous sources and knowing the reliability of Indian media they may not even exist.
The posts are numerous and require you to just go back a few pages. Most of the reports about territorial losses are not from "anonymous" sources.

In the few cases where the sources are anonymous maybe its because they are afraid of retribution and disciplinary action for not toeing the official discourse.

The sources not anonymous can be a part of a disinformation campaign targeting both the domestic as well as International audience.

That brings us back to the topic of Major YK joshi. He has been on record saying he doesn't know the exact number of Chinese casualties and engaged in mere speculation - even going as far quoting a line obscure Russian source (TASS) that had anonymous quoting and number 45.

All this very long months after China openly released images of dead soldiers and gave back numerous captured Indian soldiers.
 

jfy1155

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The posts are numerous and require you to just go back a few pages. Most of the reports about territorial losses are not from "anonymous" sources.
The sources are anonymous maybe because they are afraid of retribution and disciplinary action for not toeing the official discourse.

The sources not anonymous can be a part of a disinformation campaign targeting both the domestic as well as International audience.

That brings us back to the topic of Major YK joshi. He has been on record saying he doesn't know the exact number of Chinese casualties and engaged in mere speculation - even going as far quoting a line obscure Russian source (TASS) that had anonymous quoting and number 45.

All this very long months after China openly released images of dead soldiers and gave back numerous captured Indian soldiers.
Q) Speaking about Galwan, the Indian Army never put out the number of the fatalities that the Chinese had suffered. Is there a rough estimation that we have? What is a number that will not enter the arena of speculation?

I don’t want to make an estimate. While the incident happened, we had our OPs sitting and observing the area. We were able to count a large number of casualties, which were being picked up on stretchers and taken back. More than 60 actually, but whether they were fatal or non-fatal, we can't say with authority so I will not give a figure. But recently, TASS, the
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Indian general Joshi does not even know the number of PLA death from its own source but it relies on a short paragraph Russian news article as a source.
 
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