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Ladakh Flash Point
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You are either delusional or a complete idiot if you think India didn't "lose anything valuable" on Feb 27, 2019. Your strategic posture was compromised when you failed to escalate. The rest of the world realized that India was neither willing nor prepared for war. Honestly, I was shocked. Even I didn't see that coming. The fact that you got bitch slapped by someone 5 times smaller and then ran away crying... That was crazy! (Those press conferences where you were begging for sanctions on Pakistan were the icing on the cake.) It must've also factored into the PLA's calculus with regards to planning Ladakh, and your "ally" the US took note as well. Even pro-India hawks like Christine Fair publicly derided India. All major US publications did not side with India at all, both the NYT and WP were basically making fun of India.
And how's that working out for you? Any other population in the world would've thrown their leader out after such a global-level embarrassment. Not India though, that's a country where epic failure is rewarded. And he continued with failure, by inviting the Ladakh episode by revoking article 370 a year later, which put you in the mess you are right now, not to mention the complete clusterf*ck in your domestic politics with constant protests.
Do you understand the core concept of a SAR mission? It's for recovering someone before they get captured. That's literally the whole point.
.... Anyways, let's get back on topic Kakyan. For the record, I didn't bring this up. I was responding to your post about the Mig. If you had just left that alone, you wouldn't have walked straight into this. I'm forced to take pity on you now, so just walk away.
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Does anyone know exactly what happened with the Su-30MKIs?
I have heard all sorts of things from the radar not working properly on the mountainous terrain to the weapons not having enough range to engage AIM-120C equipped Pakistani F-16s. If that's true then it shouldn't fare well against Chinese fighters with modern radars and long range missiles in mountainous Northern India either. Is the Su-30MKI using the Bars radar or an Indian radar or what?
I have heard all sorts of things from the radar not working properly on the mountainous terrain to the weapons not having enough range to engage AIM-120C equipped Pakistani F-16s. If that's true then it shouldn't fare well against Chinese fighters with modern radars and long range missiles in mountainous Northern India either. Is the Su-30MKI using the Bars radar or an Indian radar or what?
MKIs do use the BARS PESA, which on paper should have an advantage over mechanically scanned radars. However, the radar for MKIs only have PESA antenna and from what I've read, the signal processing backend is the same as that of the MKK. While it is true that BARS could see much further than slotted array radars, they supposedly have problems picking targets out of noisy background. People who are more knowledgeable about BARS please feel free to correct me.
PESA radars are also not as resistant to jamming as AESA radars. Supposedly a J-11B was able to best a J-10B by using proper EW measures.
Amazing how 1 tweet can trigger so many Indians. If pictures of videos of captured or dead Indian soldiers from Galwan clash got released, I am afraid Indians will have a complete melt down.
Nah they’ll just say that it is photoshop or CGI or Pakistanis playing dress up and move on with their lives.
plawolf
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The Indian Internet Army has been able to put out so much fake news about this incident, that it had basically completely drowned out the few good pieces there were on this. It’s ironic in that had their jets been able to throw interference out anywhere as effectively as their trolls, their plane would never have been shot down in the first place.
But from what I remember from following developments in real time, the PAF sent JF17s in with the strike package partly due to their EW capabilities and partly due to US limitations on what Pakistan can use their F16s for.
JF17 jamming proved to be super effective rending Bison blind and deaf (probably the same for the MKIs). JF17 killed the Bison as it attempted to flee back across the line while F16s took some pot shots at MKIs.
Pakistan claims F16s splashed an MKI while Indian side denies it (but then they also denied the Bison shoot down until wreckage and the pilot were paraded in front of cameras).
It is noteworthy that no crash site or wreckage of MKIs have ever been found, or at least no such evidence has ever been made publicly available.
I personally think this embarrassment is a key factor in India going back to France cap in hand for Rafales after high handily scuttling a much better deal earlier. The primary draw for the Indians would be its famous SPECTRA EW suit after they experience firsthand how much of a force multiplier and game changer that is, which is also probably why they seem to think such paltry numbers of Rafales will have a disproportionately bigger positive impact on their forces’ combat capabilities.
Forget F-7, you guys used a J-8 as a kamikaze against an American EP-3 in 2001. No American was killed but pilot Chinese died. Atleast Indian pilot was alive.
manqiangrexue
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A plane accident 20 years ago? Do you think a J-8 couldn't shoot down an EP-3 if the intent was to strike? In the aftermath, the EP-3 was captured, dissected and studied and the American crew POWed. In your aftermath, you shot down your own helicopter and killed 7 of your own people. Is this registering as a difference to Indian mental gymnastics? LOL
The Indian pilot was alive due to the mercy of Pakistan. You thrive on others' mercy.
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