Ladakh Flash Point

Kakyan said:

Forget F-7, you guys used a J-8 as a kamikaze against an American EP-3 in 2001. No American was killed but pilot Chinese died. Atleast Indian pilot was alive.

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Oo. I was waiting for you to drag this out. Didn't disappoint.
That American aircraft was forced to land in China and was let go later.

But you didn't address any major points as to
1. Why "Lt Gen" YK Joshi has to depend on foreign sources to know numbers of casualties.

2. Why India tries to patrol a region that it didn't patrol for 15 years and got blocked by a small Chinese force.

3. Why India getting humiliated on 27 February isn't bad because it used obsolete jets.

4. Why Pangong Tso is a complete win for India and lose for China when all this is happening on "Indian" territory.

Mohsin77 said:

Do you understand the core concept of a SAR mission? It's for recovering someone before they get captured. That's literally the whole point.

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Epic fail.
Abhinandan was surrounded by villagers almost as soon as he landed and was in Pam army custody within 30 mins

No time for a SAR mission as Srinagar is 45 minutes flying distance away.

Mohsin77 said:

And how's that working out for you? Any other population in the world would've thrown their leader out after such a global-level embarrassment. Not India though, that's a country where epic failure is rewarded. And he continued with failure, by inviting the Ladakh episode by revoking article 370 a year later, which put you in the mess you are right now, not to mention the complete clusterf*ck in your domestic politics with constant protests.

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It is working perfectly fine as Balakot forced Pakistan to clamp down on JeM and there has been no fidayeen attack in Kashmir since plus terrorist attacks also at record low.

Kakyan said:

Forget F-7, you guys used a J-8 as a kamikaze against an American EP-3 in 2001. No American was killed but pilot Chinese died. Atleast Indian pilot was alive.

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The Indian pilot was alive because Pakistan saved him

Kakyan said:

Epic fail.
Abhinandan was surrounded by villagers almost as soon as he landed and was in Pam army custody within 30 mins

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Epic fail is right. When a pilot crashes, he's supposed to throw away his aviation suit with regular clothes underneath and sneak into the local population to find a way to return. Word is your man immediately ran around like a headless chicken asking people if he was in Pakistan or India causing him to be captured and beaten. Can Indians do anything right or professionally at all?

manqiangrexue said:

A plane accident 20 years ago? Do you think a J-8 couldn't shoot down an EP-3 if the intent was to strike? In the aftermath, the EP-3 was captured, dissected and studied and the American crew POWed. In your aftermath, you shot down your own helicopter and killed 7 of your own people. Is this registering as a difference to Indian mental gymnastics? LOL

The Indian pilot was alive due to the mercy of Pakistan. You thrive on others' mercy.

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Yes. J-8 pilot like most PLAAF pilots was not skilled enough to deal with EP-3s evasive manuevers unlike Russian pilots who deal with such US flights regularly.

Wrong. Indian pilot was alive for the same reason US Navy sailors captured by Iran are alive. Pak was scared of war with India just like Iran was scared of war with US.

Why has India not given any definite proof of the huge number of casualties inflicted by "bravehears" while China has released pictures and given numbers of casualties on the other side.

Where's the quid pro quo here?

manqiangrexue said:

Epic fail is right. When a pilot crashes, he's supposed to throw away is aviation suit with regular clothes underneath and sneak into the local population to find a way to return. Word is your man immediately ran around like a headless chicken asking people if he was in Pakistan or India causing him to be captured and beaten. Can Indians do anything right or professionally at all?

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To be fair, he didn't have time to do that. The rate of descend with a parachute is slow and gave villagers time to gang up. Still, he had to be saved and accommodated by Pakistan.
That is indeed a PR win for Pakistan.

manqiangrexue said:

Epic fail is right. When a pilot crashes, he's supposed to throw away is aviation suit with regular clothes underneath and sneak into the local population to find a way to return. Word is your man immediately ran around like a headless chicken asking people if he was in Pakistan or India causing him to be captured and beaten. Can Indians do anything right or professionally at all?

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Mega fail.
He was spotted by villagers as soon as he landed, it was a densely populated area not some bumpduck jungle in Vietnam.
Ecen then he swallowed most senstive document (comm code)

Xsizor said:

Why has India not given any definite proof of the huge number of casualties inflicted by "bravehears" while China has released pictures and given numbers of casualties on the other side.

Where's the quid pro quo here?

To be fair, he didn't have time to do that. The rate of descend with a parachute is slow and gave villagers time to gang up. Still, he had to be saved and accommodated by Pakistan.
That is indeed a PR win for Pakistan.

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By applying Occam’s razor, the answer is obvious. They don’t have proof of massive casualties. Instead their trolls resort to posting videos of crying PLA soldiers taken out of context to feel good about themselves.

Kakyan said:

Forget F-7, you guys used a J-8 as a kamikaze against an American EP-3 in 2001. No American was killed but pilot Chinese died. Atleast Indian pilot was alive.

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Lol, that was recon plane that entered China.

Forget EP3, you guys can't even train properly without crashing

At least no other dies like the Indians.

Xsizor said:

. Why Pangong Tso is a complete win for India and lose for China when all this is happening on Indian territory

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Since both China also claim F4 to F8, I can also say

Why Pangong Tso is a complete win for China and lose for India when all this is happening on Chinese territory.

Infact Chinese claim on that area is stronger as China has a big road till F4 from 1999