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reservior dogs

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Russia actually not happy with India alliance with US.

India is a proxy fighter for US now.
1)wants US supply chain out of China and go to India.
2)ready to invade into aksai chin once China entangled militarily with US in Taiwan scenario. That's why China stop it on its track. China take it very serious this time than what happened near sikkim.

There is something more sinister than just two side arguing about the border as you perceived.

I don't think you have good read of the situation based on western media
There is no chance that India will initiate an incursion into Aksai Chin, even if China is fighting to take back Taiwan. The geography is simply stacked hugely against them, not to mention the disparities in the militaries themselves. No commander in their right mind will seriously entertain this idea. The Indians can gather a lot of troops and make noises. At the end, if the opportunity is there, they will take a hill top here and there. The news will make the most of it and they will retreat once the Chinese comes in.
They stand no chance in a serious incursion.
 

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There is no chance that India will initiate an incursion into Aksai Chin, even if China is fighting to take back Taiwan. The geography is simply stacked hugely against them, not to mention the disparities in the militaries themselves. No commander in their right mind will seriously entertain this idea. The Indians can gather a lot of troops and make noises. At the end, if the opportunity is there, they will take a hill top here and there. The news will make the most of it and they will retreat once the Chinese comes in.
They stand no chance in a serious incursion.
You could be right
But there are pieces from Indian think tank calling for actions even more dramatic than invading into aksai chin.

Judging from actions from Chinese I don't think they will leave it to chances of what India willing or not willing to do..

Last time, they have conflict at Sikkim, why didn't Chinese put so many forces and equipments there.

Aksai chin is way more strategic, and can't leave that to chances.once climb through high mountains and enter the plateau of aksai chin. Its a plateau that can enter into xinjiang in the north and tibet to the south. That's very dangerous. China will defend that and leave to no chances.
 
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Sardaukar20

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I am from Germany and work in England. I honour everyone's opinion but consider my opinion so so :) . I didnt find the Indian or pakistani forums quality either. This forum can also improve. I won't get into politics of any country.
Welcome to the forum. Please don't judge this forum too early. You'll find the discussions here much healthier than the ones in the Indian forums.

For all the noise between Indians and chinese, none can win against each other. My comment is well intended and i can become an equal opportunity victim. :) I know how deadly Indian trolling is although in real always found them very sensible but argumentative.
There you are wrong.

1) China have already won against India by every metric barring a modern 21st century hot war. In terms of this hot war, China can defeat India anytime. All the metrics of warfighting have been discussed here many times over. Things like: modern weaponry, the soldiers, training, leadership, strategy, doctrine, military industrial complex, and most importantly, the will to fight. In all of these metrics, China is far ahead of India. The only realm that India is better than China is fake news and Jai Hind Bollywood delusions.

2) I don't know how you find Indians who troll to be "more sensible but argumentative" in real life. What is so sensible about their arguments that India is better than China? Democracy? Technology? Military? Superior race? English speaking? Its virtually the same arguments they used when they were trolling. Better not take their words too seriously.

The chinese opinion currently is also completely opposite to every international opinion out there. They have frictions currently with every Tom, Dick and Harry if these can be countries. Fine with me. I am just here to give a sober opinion and hopefully getting treated soberly.
There I have to question your sobriety. Who is the international opinion out there? The Western opinion? Or is it any English-language media constitutes 'international opinion'? You need to do more research. Else you would be taken as ignorant in here. Not everything coming out of China is false propaganda. If you don't agree, then you have a bias against China.

China's claim of Aksai Chin and South Tibet is not propagandistic fiction. These were Chinese territories already in the era of the Qing dynasty, long before the arrival of the British Raj. The British Raj draw some lines on the map to grab those lands from China when the Qing dynasty was collapsing. After independence, India was put on the map on the former territories of the British Raj. Trouble is, India wants to become the British Raj 2.0, so it uses the British Raj lines to claim territories from China. India's claim over those territories are fictitious, and is only a byproduct of British imperialism. Why is China wrong to oppose this? To stop the steal of its historical territories, whether by an imperialist power, or by a wannabe one?
 

reservior dogs

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You could be right
But there are pieces from Indian think tank calling for actions even more dramatic than invading into aksai chin.

Judging from actions from Chinese I don't think they will leave it to chances of what India willing or not willing to do..

Last time, they have conflict at Sikkim, why didn't Chinese put so many forces and equipments there.

Aksai chin is way more strategic, and can't leave that to chances. Its a flat high plateau that can enter into xinjiang in the north and tibet to the south. That's very dangerous. China will defend that and leave to no chances.
Yeh, these Indian "think tanks" do make a lot of noise. However, if you look at the actual situation on the ground, you will see that an incursion into Aksai Chin is suicidal.

The Chinese are not leaving it to chance. They are monitoring the situation day and night with ever improving sensors and drones. They have enough fire power to stop an invasion. Even if we take a million steps back and the Indians do take part of Aksai Chin, all the Chinese have to do is to cut off their supplies by bombing a few roads and bridges. All the men will be stranded there with no food and ammo. They will retreat on their own in a week's time.

These think tanks are just putting out propaganda. If they actually advocated this as a serious course of action, you would not hear about it. It will be a secret recommendation to the government only.
 

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I'm very surprised now some segments of India are now calling farmers traitors, the tone has shifted from misguided farmers to traitors over the last week. The fact that most farmers are not coming from all over India but rather Haryana and Punjab means that the community as a whole is more likely to feel alienated. It has become an us vs them dynamic.
Well initially there were these pics and all the Bhakts were saying CCP interference.

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Except these farmers have no alternatives other than pushing back. India's economy cannot support a bunch of farmers whose lifestyles have suddenly been uprooted.
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Just like Mao's rapid collectivism failed, this will fail. You cannot shock the system so hard when most of your billion population are farmers.
 
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