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manqiangrexue

manqiangrexue

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Asiananalyst said:
I am from Germany and work in England. I honour everyone's opinion but consider my opinion so so :) . I didnt find the Indian or pakistani forums quality either. This forum can also improve. I won't get into politics of any country.

For all the noise between Indians and chinese, none can win against each other. My comment is well intended and i can become an equal opportunity victim. :) I know how deadly Indian trolling is although in real always found them very sensible but argumentative.
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The difference between the Chinese and Indians is that the Indians cannot win because they lack the power. The Chinese don't want to win nor do we understand what your definition of "win" looks like. China's only true rival is the US but India is acting like its henchman. China only wants to prevent any adventurism from India while China focuses on its goal of growing into the world's most powerful and advanced nation. That is winning for China when it comes to India. We don't want anything to do with India; India is just a distraction. India is the crab to Hercules' fight against the Hydra. We don't want to deal with their ugliness but if they insist, we will step on them and break their claws.
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The chinese opinion currently is also completely opposite to every international opinion out there.
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Out there? You'd need to provide a lot of evidence for that but in general, it sounds like you are mainly surveying Western opinions which are always warped to be against China. These countries often brainwash their people to believe ridiculous things like how Western countries with a minute fraction of China's population but hundreds of thousands of COVID deaths responded better to the pandemic than China did with 4,6XX deaths. That could lead to your confusion, but regardless, if that is the case, then every opinion except the Chinese one is wrong. It is simply factual.
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They have frictions currently with every Tom, Dick and Harry if these can be countries.
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Because many of these were emboldened by the US to believe that they can flip the food chain and prey on a larger country with the US behind their backs. That is why they dare have frictions with China. However, they are learning that this is not a good strategy and they can only lose from it.
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Fine with me. I am just here to give a sober opinion and hopefully getting treated soberly.
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The drunk don't know that they are drunk and often insist that they are sober.
 
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manqiangrexue

manqiangrexue

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Haha, can be said on either side, can't it?
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Hoho, not really. If you are driving on the highway and you see 20 cars oncoming, you're not likely to be the one driving on the right side of the road and all of them on the wrong side.

When China claims something, it is backed by fact and evidence. When other countries make claims against China, it is done so through (purposeful) ignorance and shallow understanding.
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The original post was to dissuade both Indians and Chinese to be opponents. Both may have their reasons to continue to be so which is fine as well.
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It's funny that you think you could attempt such a thing at all, not to mention while being ignorant on the actual issues.
 
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I think you are not really taking into account the perverted mentality of Jai Hinds and continue to think of them as objective and rational actors, when their consistent recent actions have shown them to be anything but.

After decades of failing, I think that even if they won’t admit it to even themselves, most Indians secretly and privately accept they just cannot match China as things stand. That is the key undercurrent driving Indian hostility towards China - they think that since they cannot hope to match, never mind make up lost ground through peaceful development, then they only shot they have left to achieve their ‘rightful’ place in Asia and the world is to beat China vis other means.

That is where things can get dangerous real fast. They are already activity trying to sabotage benign Chinese actions like vaccine development and roll out, and toying with ‘playing the Tibetan card’.

In that sense Biden doesn’t have to offer them much or even anything at all. As Ladakh has shown, the Indians are absolutely desperate for any opportunity to try to attack China given any chance.

China has just not bothered to respond properly to Indian hostility because of a combination of factors, with the main ones being Chinese focus is still overwhelmingly to the East, and pathetic Indian capabilities and far worse competence meant that even though India is trying it’s little heart out, it’s just not actually causing China any harm to warrant much of a response.

But that state of affairs could change, and change fast and drastically if India is foolish enough to dip its toes into state sponsored terrorism against China.

China is only just finishing cleaning up the mess from past (Soviet) such meddling on the Uighur issue, so it knows full well the risk and costs of allowing such activities to go unchecked and most certainly will not stand for any more such foreign meddling. While China is overwhelmingly focused on the East, and Taiwan especially, its strategists has always been able to see things clearly and objectively. So long as India does not fundamentally change its unwarranted hatred and hostility towards China for merely existing and doing well, China will never allow them to become a threat. It’s as simple as that and is the only rational and responsible policy Chinese leaders can take.

So far the Indians are whipping themselves into a frothing frenzy over Chinese responses to their own stupid strategic overreach. It will not take much for China to make internal Indian demands for all irresponsible if it actually wanted to goad India into a war it cannot hope to win. You can thank Bollywood and India’s fake news ‘free press’ for that. So basically China can have a major war with India pretty much any time it wants, and when it does so, it can even get the Indians to declare war for them. China does not want to play that move, but it will as soon as India looks like it might start to actual get its act together unless they adjust their own attitude towards China.
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In democratic countries, politicians often do things that seem irrational when in fact they are constrained by politics. This does not mean they are unaware of the dangers and the boundaries. Maybe you are right and they might push past the boundaries. If China wanted war, they could have used any number of incursions as an excuse to launch war. They have not. Hope cooler heads prevail.
As to internal sabotage, the Chinese can give much better than it takes. I won't worry about that. So far, what came out of India is just noise.
 
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I am from Germany and work in England. I honour everyone's opinion but consider my opinion so so :) . I didnt find the Indian or pakistani forums quality either. This forum can also improve. I won't get into politics of any country.

For all the noise between Indians and chinese, none can win against each other. My comment is well intended and i can become an equal opportunity victim. :) I know how deadly Indian trolling is although in real always found them very sensible but argumentative.

The chinese opinion currently is also completely opposite to every international opinion out there. They have frictions currently with every Tom, Dick and Harry if these can be countries. Fine with me. I am just here to give a sober opinion and hopefully getting treated soberly.
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You have the right to an opinion but opinions don't have to be respected.

If you noticed, almost all of the links and citations in this thread are from non-Chinese sources, many from Indian news media and twitter feeds. So your claim that somehow this forum is just another echo chamber shows clear lack of understanding. Your claim on "international opinion" also reflects the coloured media you consume.

Welcome to the forum. There's people from all over the world here. You've taken the right step in finding real international opinion.
 
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Man, looks like the ministers of India are on a Twitter war with the #FarmersProtest. Amit Shah and Jaishankar, the two biggest hitters are on the counter-offensive.

"Most popular minister behind Modi" Amit Shah fired his Twitter salvo:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1356961331287650308

Jaishankar the architect of India's embrace of Uncle Sam. How is that embrace working out?
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1356968427001319424

This is just for WTF? LOL!
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1356883075116879873

Well India. Twitter and social media trolling was so fun wasn't it? That's until #FarmersProtest came up. LOL!

It gets even funnier:
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Besides Rihanna, Swedish teen climate activist Greta Thunberg, Meena Harris, an American lawyer and niece of US Vice President Kamala Harris, actress Amanda Cerni, singers Jay Sean, Dr Zeus and former adult star Mia Khalifa too voiced their support to the protesting farmers.
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Not too long ago, Indians were celebrating Kamala Harris for being the first 'Indian' Vice President of the US? Now, are some Indians gonna throw death threats at her niece? With tacit support from Indian ministers? o_O


And finally, what about this?
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So, is India a democracy with free speech in the same league as the UK or US? Or is India a communist dictatorship like China or North Korea? Or is India actually a facist state with its very own "Reichsministerium für Volksaufklärung und Propaganda"? Don't know, cause India can never make up its mind.

How about about all the American FDI that is promised to come India's way? Among them the big techs of the US like Google, FB, etc. How would they feel, if Twitter gets threatened by the Indian Government for refusing to cooperate with Indian censorship? Substitutes? Hell no! Because no Chinese FDI and big tech companies are allowed!

Its fully self-inflicted shit show by India. LOL! :cool:
 
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Asiananalyst said:
I am from Germany and work in England. I honour everyone's opinion but consider my opinion so so :) . I didnt find the Indian or pakistani forums quality either. This forum can also improve. I won't get into politics of any country.

For all the noise between Indians and chinese, none can win against each other. My comment is well intended and i can become an equal opportunity victim. :) I know how deadly Indian trolling is although in real always found them very sensible but argumentative.

The chinese opinion currently is also completely opposite to every international opinion out there. They have frictions currently with every Tom, Dick and Harry if these can be countries. Fine with me. I am just here to give a sober opinion and hopefully getting treated soberly.
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Russia actually not happy with India alliance with US.

India is a proxy fighter for US now.
1)wants US supply chain out of China and go to India.
2)ready to invade into aksai chin once China entangled militarily with US in Taiwan scenario. That's why China stop it on its track. China take it very serious this time than what happened near sikkim.

There is something more sinister than just two side arguing about the border as you perceived.

I don't think you have good read of the situation based on western media
 
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How about about all the American FDI that is promised to come India's way? Among them the big techs of the US like Google, FB, etc. How would they feel, if Twitter gets threatened by the Indian Government for refusing to cooperate with Indian censorship? Substitutes? Hell no! Because no Chinese FDI and big tech companies are allowed!
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Well this one will be a fun show... I will prepare popcorn... I wonder how the tech giants will react... remember how they were so principled when China demanded they adhere to Chinese laws when operating in China but refused due to censorship demanded by the China gov and now India is demanding censorship as well... will these tech giants be just as principled or will they fold in the face of a democratic gov who, by all it’s claims respects freedom of speech and expression, are demanding unreasonable censorship and what would happen if the tech giants refuse... would India do another China and ban these apps? This is better than any Hollywood or Bollywood storylines... and I am sure Hollywood would be making a movie about how tech giant don’t fold and Bollywood would be making a movie about how the Indian gov won against the tech giants...

Ps @siegecrossbow ah... that was fast... so they folded....
 
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Man, looks like the ministers of India are on a Twitter war with the #FarmersProtest. Amit Shah and Jaishankar, the two biggest hitters are on the counter-offensive.

"Most popular minister behind Modi" Amit Shah fired his Twitter salvo:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1356961331287650308

Jaishankar the architect of India's embrace of Uncle Sam. How is that embrace working out?
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1356968427001319424

This is just for WTF? LOL!
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1356883075116879873

Well India. Twitter and social media trolling was so fun wasn't it? That's until #FarmersProtest came up. LOL!

It gets even funnier:
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Not too long ago, Indians were celebrating Kamala Harris for being the first 'Indian' Vice President of the US? Now, are some Indians gonna throw death threats at her niece? With tacit support from Indian ministers? o_O


And finally, what about this?
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So, is India a democracy with free speech in the same league as the UK or US? Or is India a communist dictatorship like China or North Korea? Or is India actually a facist state with its very own "Reichsministerium für Volksaufklärung und Propaganda"? Don't know, cause India can never make up its mind.

How about about all the American FDI that is promised to come India's way? Among them the big techs of the US like Google, FB, etc. How would they feel, if Twitter gets threatened by the Indian Government for refusing to cooperate with Indian censorship? Substitutes? Hell no! Because no Chinese FDI and big tech companies are allowed!

Its fully self-inflicted shit show by India. LOL! :cool:
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Don’t know about Google but Twitter cooperates with Indian authorities and has already shut down hundreds of Indian farmers accounts.
 
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