Ladakh Flash Point

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Xizor

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Yes, the Indian government behaved foolishly, but the Chinese government must try to balance its interests and not push India to the arms of the West.
Newsflash. India is already on the other side team.

There are no realistic terms of cooperation between India and China anymore other than those sought with the likes of Australia or Japan - "shake hands while cocking a pistol hidden behind your back".
 

Oldschool

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its not China pushing India to US.
Its India initiates confrontation with China in order ask big favor from US ,namely move the foreign supply chain out of China and move to India.

That's the biggest reason from modi, more than deflection of pandemics issue in India, internal strife's, ..etc
 

Asiananalyst

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Hi, I am a European analyst registered at different defence forums. My father was from communist party so my interest has been in China/Russia and Asia.

I have been let down by quality of discussions on all forums as I believe all of them are echo chambers promoting a false superiority amidst taking potshots at enemy.

India and china are countries of many empires and historically have won and lost several wars. Same is there for China. The Indians assimilated several cultures(Mughals/Kushan) couldn't assimilate British entirely although do use English and so did Chinese. (Cantonese, Manchurian and a number of sinicized groups)

Does this make any of these countries special in terms of war? No. China Burma wars in 1760's remind how a very small country and army can defeat a much bigger army. In India's case, it got defeated by smaller disciplined British armies in1800's.

Now coming to case of China India. why are you guys fighting. None of you can defeat each other. If you could, you would have done it. 1962 for example where a much bigger chinese army took an army quarter of its size. But is situation same. No. Coming to the case of who started it in 2020, I think international opinion does not match chinese opinion. But china did several things to achieve certain strategic things. But question is did they achieve any? In case of India, Indians must question the benefits in a china india war? any?

China was not happy with India on number of things specially India's strategic presence increase but remember throughout 1980-2010, many wise chinese foresaw that doing business with India was good. Currently India was taking advantage of china USA trade war and many chinese strategists did not take it easy. But why? I never understood why you want India to be only on chinese side completely when you support pakistanis more, trade is imbalanced in your favour and you don't want india to grow strategically. The trade imbalance is the reason why Indians can decouple but china has nothing to decouple from.

India should also not get in western trap. It has never been easy for Iraqis or pakistanis so why will it be easy on you.
 

Xizor

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Hi, I am a European analyst registered at different defence forums. My father was from communist party so my interest has been in China/Russia and Asia.

I have been let down by quality of discussions on all forums as I believe all of them are echo chambers promoting a false superiority amidst taking potshots at enemy.

India and china are countries of many empires and historically have won and lost several wars. Same is there for China. The Indians assimilated several cultures(Mughals/Kushan) couldn't assimilate British entirely although do use English and so did Chinese. (Cantonese, Manchurian and a number of sinicized groups)

Does this make any of these countries special in terms of war? No. China Burma wars in 1760's remind how a very small country and army can defeat a much bigger army. In India's case, it got defeated by smaller disciplined British armies in1800's.

Now coming to case of China India. why are you guys fighting. None of you can defeat each other. If you could, you would have done it. 1962 for example where a much bigger chinese army took an army quarter of its size. But is situation same. No. Coming to the case of who started it in 2020, I think international opinion does not match chinese opinion. But china did several things to achieve certain strategic things. But question is did they achieve any? In case of India, Indians must question the benefits in a china india war? any?

China was not happy with India on number of things specially India's strategic presence increase but remember throughout 1980-2010, many wise chinese foresaw that doing business with India was good. Currently India was taking advantage of china USA trade war and many chinese strategists did not take it easy. But why? I never understood why you want India to be only on chinese side completely when you support pakistanis more, trade is imbalanced in your favour and you don't want india to grow strategically. The trade imbalance is the reason why Indians can decouple but china has nothing to decouple from.

India should also not get in western trap. It has never been easy for Iraqis or pakistanis so why will it be easy on you.
Very emotional discourse but you are very wrong in that there is an India vs China potshot or mudslinging happening here.
This forum is moderately moderated by mods who are foreign. Also, like you many members are not Chinese. Many are overseas Chinese. I'm not either of these.

I think you ought to check in other forums to really get a sense of how "toned down" this forum is. "Defence forum India" is a forum that sees majority Indians and you can go and see for yourself the absolute substandard quality of discussions there.

If you want to have a better look at things - Bharat-Rakshak forum is populated by Indian army /airforce veterans themselves!

You'd find nothing but racism against Chinese in both these forums. I don't see anyone racially disparaging Indians here. This forum, I can gladly say, is one of the better ones out there. secretprojects uk is good too.

Then there are some other forums and discussion spaces populated by American/western enthusiasts that make Stormfront look like family friendly. I've been there and I got fed up by the racist vomit.

Now, coming to this forum "SinoDefence forum"- threads are moderated differently. One threads like Ladakh Flash Point, Hong Kong Protest etc aren't moderated that intensily. However, primary Airforce, Navy, Armed forces threads that discusses specific equipments are moderated heavily.
 
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siegecrossbow

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Hi, I am a European analyst registered at different defence forums. My father was from communist party so my interest has been in China/Russia and Asia.

I have been let down by quality of discussions on all forums as I believe all of them are echo chambers promoting a false superiority amidst taking potshots at enemy.

India and china are countries of many empires and historically have won and lost several wars. Same is there for China. The Indians assimilated several cultures(Mughals/Kushan) couldn't assimilate British entirely although do use English and so did Chinese. (Cantonese, Manchurian and a number of sinicized groups)

Does this make any of these countries special in terms of war? No. China Burma wars in 1760's remind how a very small country and army can defeat a much bigger army. In India's case, it got defeated by smaller disciplined British armies in1800's.

Now coming to case of China India. why are you guys fighting. None of you can defeat each other. If you could, you would have done it. 1962 for example where a much bigger chinese army took an army quarter of its size. But is situation same. No. Coming to the case of who started it in 2020, I think international opinion does not match chinese opinion. But china did several things to achieve certain strategic things. But question is did they achieve any? In case of India, Indians must question the benefits in a china india war? any?

China was not happy with India on number of things specially India's strategic presence increase but remember throughout 1980-2010, many wise chinese foresaw that doing business with India was good. Currently India was taking advantage of china USA trade war and many chinese strategists did not take it easy. But why? I never understood why you want India to be only on chinese side completely when you support pakistanis more, trade is imbalanced in your favour and you don't want india to grow strategically. The trade imbalance is the reason why Indians can decouple but china has nothing to decouple from.

India should also not get in western trap. It has never been easy for Iraqis or pakistanis so why will it be easy on you.

Welcome to the forum.
Hi, I am a European analyst registered at different defence forums. My father was from communist party so my interest has been in China/Russia and Asia.

I have been let down by quality of discussions on all forums as I believe all of them are echo chambers promoting a false superiority amidst taking potshots at enemy.

India and china are countries of many empires and historically have won and lost several wars. Same is there for China. The Indians assimilated several cultures(Mughals/Kushan) couldn't assimilate British entirely although do use English and so did Chinese. (Cantonese, Manchurian and a number of sinicized groups)

Does this make any of these countries special in terms of war? No. China Burma wars in 1760's remind how a very small country and army can defeat a much bigger army. In India's case, it got defeated by smaller disciplined British armies in1800's.

Now coming to case of China India. why are you guys fighting. None of you can defeat each other. If you could, you would have done it. 1962 for example where a much bigger chinese army took an army quarter of its size. But is situation same. No. Coming to the case of who started it in 2020, I think international opinion does not match chinese opinion. But china did several things to achieve certain strategic things. But question is did they achieve any? In case of India, Indians must question the benefits in a china india war? any?

China was not happy with India on number of things specially India's strategic presence increase but remember throughout 1980-2010, many wise chinese foresaw that doing business with India was good. Currently India was taking advantage of china USA trade war and many chinese strategists did not take it easy. But why? I never understood why you want India to be only on chinese side completely when you support pakistanis more, trade is imbalanced in your favour and you don't want india to grow strategically. The trade imbalance is the reason why Indians can decouple but china has nothing to decouple from.

India should also not get in western trap. It has never been easy for Iraqis or pakistanis so why will it be easy on you.

Hello and welcome to the forum.

I don’t understand how the Chinese version of the story differs from that of the official Indian stance. According to Prime Minister Modi, no Chinese troops have occupied any Indian land and the Chinese agree. Even Indian member @Kakyan insists that the Indians have occupied Chinese land. The PLA have exercised considerable constraint and you do think that they are entitled to defend the border from additional intrusions, right?
 

weig2000

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Hi, I am a European analyst registered at different defence forums. My father was from communist party so my interest has been in China/Russia and Asia.

I have been let down by quality of discussions on all forums as I believe all of them are echo chambers promoting a false superiority amidst taking potshots at enemy.

India and china are countries of many empires and historically have won and lost several wars. Same is there for China. The Indians assimilated several cultures(Mughals/Kushan) couldn't assimilate British entirely although do use English and so did Chinese. (Cantonese, Manchurian and a number of sinicized groups)

Does this make any of these countries special in terms of war? No. China Burma wars in 1760's remind how a very small country and army can defeat a much bigger army. In India's case, it got defeated by smaller disciplined British armies in1800's.

Now coming to case of China India. why are you guys fighting. None of you can defeat each other. If you could, you would have done it. 1962 for example where a much bigger chinese army took an army quarter of its size. But is situation same. No. Coming to the case of who started it in 2020, I think international opinion does not match chinese opinion. But china did several things to achieve certain strategic things. But question is did they achieve any? In case of India, Indians must question the benefits in a china india war? any?

China was not happy with India on number of things specially India's strategic presence increase but remember throughout 1980-2010, many wise chinese foresaw that doing business with India was good. Currently India was taking advantage of china USA trade war and many chinese strategists did not take it easy. But why? I never understood why you want India to be only on chinese side completely when you support pakistanis more, trade is imbalanced in your favour and you don't want india to grow strategically. The trade imbalance is the reason why Indians can decouple but china has nothing to decouple from.

India should also not get in western trap. It has never been easy for Iraqis or pakistanis so why will it be easy on you.

What planet are you from? I suggest you do a lot of investigations and readings on the subject, including this thread, to catch up. And you have a lot to catch up based on your long musings above. You sure can ask questions here for help, but better to get the basics right first, so as not to waste resources and people's time.
 
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