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reservior dogs

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Sanctions will happen, but right now the west simply cannot survive without Chinese industrial output due to Covid shutting down their own economies, and they will need Chinese industrial might to mass produce any vaccine (India biomedical capacity is rather meaningless since it is lacking core key steps and ingredients that they simply cannot hope to make enough volume of to make much use of their existing production capacity without Chinese inputs). As such, any sanctions in the next year or so will be primarily symbolic with minimal teeth.

As HK and Australia have demonstrated to Beijing in no uncertain terms, western brainwashing is powerful enough to counter Chinese economic pull.

Looking at the rabid anti-China hate on display in HK, and the ensuing economic suicide bomb just to hurt China, you have to be the biggest optimist in the world to still think economic inducements would ever be enough to get Taiwan to reunite peacefully.

And as covid19 has proven in the starkest terms, you cannot bank on the good times lasting forever.

Had China actually screwed up its response to Covid and it turned out to actually be China’s Chernobyl event, as the west wet dreamed, Taiwan would have seized that opportunity to declare formal independence while China was weak and in internal chaos with the full backing of the US military.


Taiwan is a dagger forever pressed to China’s throat by the US. Basically America can go to war with China any time it wants while having enough political cover to blame the war on China by simply telling Taiwan to declare independence behind closed doors. The traitors in power in Taiwan will never pass up such an opportunity, and China will have no choice but to invade and America can have its war and pass itself off as the good guy even though they started it all.

As things stand, China and the US are now in direct competition and a new Cold War, that will not change now until one side wins this new Cold War. Trump has stripped away the economic safety net that was previously in place, which offered China a reasonable degree of assurance that America will not actively seek to start a war this way because of the enormous economic pain it would cause America. Thanks to Trump, America has already taken much of that pain, so there is less for them to loose to start a war.

This means that China cannot afford even a moment of weakness, until it wins this cold war, which in itself is by no means guaranteed. In addition, it is now entirely possible that the US might choose to play the Taiwan card and start a war soon, if it looks like they are loosing the new Cold War and that their existing military and economic lead over China is eroding by the day. That’s a lot of pressure and risk to endure for potentially decades to come.
None of what I said is predicated on peaceful reunion, at least not initiated by Taiwan. I agree that Taiwan will seize the opportunity to declare independence if one presented itself, but even if China failed to contain Covid and the rest of the world is not impacted, there would be no opportunity for them to do that. China has already grown too big and too strong.

The main goal for China is to quickly climb up economically, scientifically and militarily. It should minimize any distraction while on this path. Taiwan is there for the taking any time they wish.

Actually, using this opportunity to tie up with other economies is the most important thing. RCEP is on the verge of being signed by the 15 countries in the Pacific. The U. S. is conspicuous in its absence. That would not be possible if the U.S. were fully functional and in control. Japan and South Korea, without whom the agreement is meaningless, would not be permitted to pursue something like this if the U.S. were in full control. I imagine some other type of understanding will be created with the Europeans. These are far more significant to China then taking Taiwan today. Would China jeopardize the ratification of RCEP by Japan, whose geopolitical position will be weaken by the Chinese taking of Taiwan? That would be very foolish of them. The Chinese are not fools. There are a lot of other economic and technological agreements they can create with Europe, where European companies will build factories in China since they have controlled Covid and is growing. These are way more important compared to taking Taiwan today. Imagine ASML setting up factories in China. The possibilities are endless.
 

reservior dogs

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Sanctions will happen, but right now the west simply cannot survive without Chinese industrial output due to Covid shutting down their own economies, and they will need Chinese industrial might to mass produce any vaccine (India biomedical capacity is rather meaningless since it is lacking core key steps and ingredients that they simply cannot hope to make enough volume of to make much use of their existing production capacity without Chinese inputs). As such, any sanctions in the next year or so will be primarily symbolic with minimal teeth.

As HK and Australia have demonstrated to Beijing in no uncertain terms, western brainwashing is powerful enough to counter Chinese economic pull.

Looking at the rabid anti-China hate on display in HK, and the ensuing economic suicide bomb just to hurt China, you have to be the biggest optimist in the world to still think economic inducements would ever be enough to get Taiwan to reunite peacefully.

And as covid19 has proven in the starkest terms, you cannot bank on the good times lasting forever.

Had China actually screwed up its response to Covid and it turned out to actually be China’s Chernobyl event, as the west wet dreamed, Taiwan would have seized that opportunity to declare formal independence while China was weak and in internal chaos with the full backing of the US military.


Taiwan is a dagger forever pressed to China’s throat by the US. Basically America can go to war with China any time it wants while having enough political cover to blame the war on China by simply telling Taiwan to declare independence behind closed doors. The traitors in power in Taiwan will never pass up such an opportunity, and China will have no choice but to invade and America can have its war and pass itself off as the good guy even though they started it all.

As things stand, China and the US are now in direct competition and a new Cold War, that will not change now until one side wins this new Cold War. Trump has stripped away the economic safety net that was previously in place, which offered China a reasonable degree of assurance that America will not actively seek to start a war this way because of the enormous economic pain it would cause America. Thanks to Trump, America has already taken much of that pain, so there is less for them to loose to start a war.

This means that China cannot afford even a moment of weakness, until it wins this cold war, which in itself is by no means guaranteed. In addition, it is now entirely possible that the US might choose to play the Taiwan card and start a war soon, if it looks like they are loosing the new Cold War and that their existing military and economic lead over China is eroding by the day. That’s a lot of pressure and risk to endure for potentially decades to come.
Even the current administration, the most anti-China one in decades, dare not cross the line with Taiwan independence. They know the consequences if they do. They will walk up to the line, they will step on the line, but will not cross it. I don't see the U.S. having the ability to start a war in China's backyard. Currently, Covid is kicking our butt. Even with Covid under control in a couple of years, there is just no way for the U.S. to win this war. Away from China's backyard, China will not pursue a war with the U.S., so no war or Taiwan independence in the near future.

I don't agree that war of any kind is less painful in the future. That is simply ludicrous. Even with the trade-war, Donald Trump had to sign an interim agreement with China. Was it done for China's benefit? No, it was due to the pain that it is causing our farmers. How would that be different in the future if trade-war resume? A scientific war will continue under Joe Biden, to restrict information flow to China, but I don't know how effective that would be. The Chinese already have a very good university system and improving leaps and bounds by the year. All the publications by U.S. universities are read by China, the reverse is not true as there are not enough technical folks that speak Chinese. So we have a one side transparency against the U.S. An ideological war under Joe Biden is likely, but the U.S. is no longer the shining house by the hill. Faced with an economy that is almost the same size, how many country will follow our footsteps? A financial war might start in the future, but the Chinese are pretty wealthy and have their own stock exchanges, so it might harm the U.S. investors more then it hurts China. A hot war is unimaginable with our current state. We can't even fight Iran or North Korea.

The U.S. badly want to stay on top, but we are increasingly running out of ways to even slow down the rise of China, much less stop it.
 

weig2000

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For China, the bid to unify Taiwan militarily within the decade - the target date to build up sufficient capabilities to deter any external intervention is 2027 - is launched now, without much fanfare. But anyone with an understanding of the historical situation and current state of affairs across Taiwan Strait should see it clearly and can smell it.

For now, China will not and should not take the initiative to launch the military operations, even opportunistically. The decision to take Taiwan would be strategic and the impact far and wide, beyond just a successful military campaign to land and secure Taiwan. The US/Taiwan provocations on Taiwan issue are act of desperation because they know time is not on their side, by which I don't mean over long term (>10 years). This does not mean, however, that China will self-restrain unconditionally. When certain red lines were crossed, China will and should launch military operations, up to and including taking over the entire Taiwan island, not just a few offshore small islands as some suggested. That is the level of preparedness needed and it has the capability to do so.

The balance of power between the US and China will change drastically and qualitatively within the next 5-10 years. China may surpass the US to be the world's largest economy in nominal term and may have built up sufficient military capability to dominate within the second island chain. China has just started the strategic decoupling process, which would take at least five years. They would include making substantial progress in implementing dual circulation to shield the economy from significant external shocks, the self-reliance and self-sufficiency in key technology sectors with semiconductor foremost among them, and the internationalization of yuan to protect the economy and financial market from dollar hegemony.

If the above goals and targets are reached, the external intervention during the inevitable Battle of Taiwan will more likely to be deterred, saving some bloody conflicts and potential escalation. And China would also be in a much better and strong position to deal with the aftermath of unifying Taiwan militarily.

In short, be ready to deal with any misadventure initiated by the adversary, but control the timing and place of your strategic move when it's much more favorable to you.
 

siegecrossbow

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There has been renewed bloodshed between Pakistan and India on the LOC. The PLA would be idiotic if they withdraw right now. They should drag out the negotiation just to apply more pressure and at the very least will be able to get more concessions from the Indian side.
 

reservior dogs

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There has been renewed bloodshed between Pakistan and India on the LOC. The PLA would be idiotic if they withdraw right now. They should drag out the negotiation just to apply more pressure and at the very least will be able to get more concessions from the Indian side.
A lot of this is political theater for the survival of the regime. China will not allow any true incursion into Pakistan by India. I am sure in exchange for providing the cover for the unilateral withdrawal, India has given a lot of concessions to China. If withdrawal occurs, we will have to see the sequence of events that follow to see what was negotiated.
 

weig2000

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There has been renewed bloodshed between Pakistan and India on the LOC. The PLA would be idiotic if they withdraw right now. They should drag out the negotiation just to apply more pressure and at the very least will be able to get more concessions from the Indian side.

I don't see any rationale for PLA to withdraw now. They should continue to exert pressure on India and Indian military. While it would make some sense to reach a mutual withdrawal agreement now if India had refrained from embracing so enthusiastically the Quad, withdrawing now would send a wrong signal. India needs to pay for its treacherous behavior; it learned the wrong lesson from the Doklam standoff.

India is in a very weak position now, both economically and strategically. The continuing standoff will exert strong pressure on it and it could ill afford a longer arm race. It would not dare to launch any preempt military operation against China and if it did, China would just deal it a devastating blow.

Hopefully India can come back its senses after some painful lessons. If it doesn't, China should just keep the pressure on along the border.
 

Tsin Phan

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Do you think,current LOC war between Pakistan and India will continue longer?
Do Pakistan Army is fully capable with better arms (than Indians) for fighting back with Indians now?
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Tsin Phan

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I was reading that China is in final stage in construction of big water dams on large river from China to India. Indian shouting that China will stop river water to Indian land and will divert to Chinese areas.
What will Indian do ?
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hashtagpls

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Speaking of Chinese boycott in India

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I was reading that China is in final stage in construction of big water dams on large river from China to India. Indian shouting that China will stop river water to Indian land and will divert to Chinese areas.
What will Indian do ?
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This is the sort of gullibility i have come to expect of cultures that produce cow dung candles.

Whilst i wish the indian subcontinent got most of its water from the Himalayan glaciers, the truth is that most of the water comes from rainfall from clouds that cannot pass beyond those same mountain ranges.

However, given climate change, this source of water is going to become more and more constrained as the indian subcontinent bakes in >50C weather (2019 recorded temp. of 50.9C).
 
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Do you think,current LOC war between Pakistan and India will continue longer?
Do Pakistan Army is fully capable with better arms (than Indians) for fighting back with Indians now?
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No. I don't think so. In india we get news reports of skirmishes, ceasefire violations and shelling along the border in LOC every month. Common news.
 
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