Ladakh Flash Point

Temstar said:

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Indian media have been busy 'debunking' this image and calling it fake, and I was going to give them the benefit of the doubt. However with that article from Global Times and all the recent logistic troubles on the Indian side we've been hearing I'm now inclined to believe these are actually true. In which case it makes sense that India wants to figure out a way to pull back from frontline while saving face.

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Sardaukar20 said:

So, not only have the Global Times refuted Indian media lies about 'mutual disengagement'. Now it goes even further to say that Indian troops should withdraw first from the occupied southern side of Pangong lake, only then China would consider pulling back. Now that's brutal from the CCP.

So, no more face-saving hush-hush for India. This should be the way. Everytime the Indian media lies, trying to make India look tough. The CCP should refutes these lies and disclose the actual humiliating details for India and the world to see.

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Temstar said:

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Indian media have been busy 'debunking' this image and calling it fake, and I was going to give them the benefit of the doubt. However with that article from Global Times and all the recent logistic troubles on the Indian side we've been hearing I'm now inclined to believe these are actually true. In which case it makes sense that India wants to figure out a way to pull back from frontline while saving face.

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siegecrossbow said:

CCP is way to civil. If it were up to me every time
the Indian media lies I’d go through my cache of beating videos and select one for release.

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Temstar said:

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Indian media have been busy 'debunking' this image and calling it fake, and I was going to give them the benefit of the doubt. However with that article from Global Times and all the recent logistic troubles on the Indian side we've been hearing I'm now inclined to believe these are actually true. In which case it makes sense that India wants to figure out a way to pull back from frontline while saving face.

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After the COVID-19 epidemic broke out in China at the beginning of 2020, many Indians thought India had an opportunity to develop their manufacturing industry and overtake China. The Indian government has introduced preferential measures in terms of land and taxation, lobbying multinational companies in China to transfer their production chains to India. In September, Japan, India and Australia agreed to launch an initiative to build resilient supply chains in the Indo-Pacific region.

The Galwan Valley physical clash in June has provided an excuse for India's "de-Sinicization" process. At the same time as the Trump administration is pushing for "de-coupling" from China, India, in fact, is promoting its economic "de-Sinicization" process more provocatively. Judging from remarks by some Indian senior officials and strategic elites, New Delhi hopes for a cold war, even a hot war, to break out between China and the US very much. It thinks India would gain a remarkable development opportunity from serious China-US confrontation. By moving closer to the US, India hopes Western countries, including the US, Europe, as well as Japan, could provide it capital and technology to help develop its manufacturing industry so that a value chain and industrial chain that can replace China will be established. Not only does India not want to join the RCEP, but it also has no desire to see Japan take part in it. India doesn't want the RCEP to be signed at all.

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For other RCEP members, India's opt-out might be a good thing. The Indian market looks vast, but it's quite closed and conservative with a low actual consumption level. Besides, organizations in which India participates and has a big say often have low efficiency and don't function well. It's fair to say India is unable to help achieve anything but is good at spoiling things. Opting out of the RCEP means India will be isolated in the next round of globalization and regional economic integration, but for other RCEP members, it means they will meet fewer obstacles in promoting regional economic integration.

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Sardaukar20 said:

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An interesting article from the Global Times. RCEP is going to be signed on the coming Sunday. The author celebrates this, but is also aware that the new Biden administration will no doubt revive the TPP.

But of course the main topic is India. It would be easier for India to join RCEP than the TPP because of the strict participation conditions of TPP. But India is joining the RCEP out of spite with China.

The author is aware of India's intentions to "De-Sinicize" the global supply chain with the aim to put India ahead at the expense of China. First, with the Covid-19 outbreak in China, then later with the Ladakh border clash.




The author also notes that India is a spoiler in many multilateral agreements. And that India is grossly overestimating its economic power.



So China doesn't actually mind that India opts out, in fact its starting to like it But for India, it is missing out on yet another boat to economic progress. And this is perhaps the last boat for India to miss. Unless of course if the US lowers the TPP participation bar for India to enter. But even with that, India would still mess that up.

What India doesn't realize is that practically all of the non-first world countries have little love for India. India doesn't respect its neighbours, doesn't respect the ASEAN countries, doesn't respect Central Asian countries, and have pissed of many Muslim countries. India has negligible political and economic power to lead the global supply chain away from China. So the middle-income trap is now more or less assured for India. For Indians who celebrate this momentous occasion for India, Happy Diwali! Don't forget to boycott Chinese fireworks!

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