Ladakh Flash Point

A.Man said:

The Bearded Man is a PLA lieutenant, he might come here:

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The treatment of the ethnic minority soldier in China and India are day and night.

In China:
An ethnic minority soldier in the PLA is treated similar to the Han Chinese. He can rise up the ranks if he has the merit. He can stand side by side with his Han comrades to sing the national anthem. His inclusion into the PLA is never sensationalized as a political matter. Its just him embracing his duty as a citizen of China. He fights for his country, not as a pawn of some political agenda. He receives equal respect as his Han peers for serving in the PLA.

In India:
An ethnic minority's citizenship and loyalty is always questioned. He cannot find a proper job or make a decent living. But he can make some decent money if he joins the Indian Army in some shape or form. But in the Indian Army, his status is lower than the average ethnic Indian soldiers. His role is to either be the mule or the cannon fodder for the ethnic Indian soldiers. He is not fighting or India, he is fighting as a pawn for India's geopolitical goals. For example: fighting to liberate a fictional 'nation' within Chinese territory. When he falls in battle, his death should be nothing to talk about. Unless if there is a political purpose to make out of it. His death can be spun around as something for India to use to politically bash or threaten its enemies, like China for example.

It takes no genius to tell which ethnic-minority soldier will truly fight for his country. One who is treated as a citizen. Or one who is treated as an expendable pawn.

siegecrossbow said:

Even though the guy looks South Asian more likely than not he is a Chinese minority.

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Tarim Basin long had trade relations with South Asia and South Asians were present in the area before the uyghur conquest. Modern Uyghurs were descendants of the original uyghurs (North Asian), Tarim Basin's original Iranic inhabitants (Central/West Asian), Han Chinese (East Asian) and South Asians.

On the DNA analysis platform Wegene many uyghur users are reporting between 10% and 20% Sindhis ancestry (and a similar degree of Northern Han Chinese ancestry). Not saying Wegene is completely accurate about Sindhis vs other South Asians (it's focused on East Asian genetics).

A video about a Kazakh Chinese PLA officer and tank operator in Xinjiang Military Region

Here we have not only have a minority officer but a minority woman officer in charge of soldiers who are all men. Furthermore she's a political commissar in charge of ensuring the loyalty of soldiers.

OppositeDay said:

Tarim Basin long had trade relations with South Asia and South Asians were present in the area before the uyghur conquest. Modern Uyghurs were descendants of the original uyghurs (North Asian), Tarim Basin's original Iranic inhabitants (Central/West Asian), Han Chinese (East Asian) and South Asians.

On the DNA analysis platform Wegene many uyghur users are reporting between 10% and 20% Sindhis ancestry (and a similar degree of Northern Han Chinese ancestry). Not saying Wegene is completely accurate about Sindhis vs other South Asians (it's focused on East Asian genetics).

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That's right. Many of the words in the Uighur language are also pronounced in a similar way in Hindi or Urdu.

OppositeDay said:

A video about a Kazakh Chinese PLA officer and tank operator in Xinjiang Military Region

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So the frontline troops gets type 59 while the type 96/99 are waiting for a US invasion of the east coast or a Russian from invasion from north?

Orthan said:

timesofindia article about t-90 vs type 15

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AFAIK, the type 15 may go where the t-90 cant. So, i dont know how the two would fare against each other.

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That Indian tank commander is going to have to eat his words when he really goes into a war with China.

In mountainous terrain, there are a lot of other things for the T-90s to worry about than just the Type 15s. Tanks, especially heavy tanks have suffered historically in mountainous terrains. The Soviets know that all too well in Afghanistan. ATGMs and short-ranged AT weapons are a massive threat in these areas. Then there also armed drones, laser-guided artillery shells, and the PLAAF. When the PLAAF attains air superiority (which they will), no amount of T-90s is going to give India any hope of victory.

With childish mindset like this, India better not go to war with China. They will give the T-90 tanks a horrible reputation. Russia is not going to enjoy it off course. The T-72s and T-80s have already suffered enough bad reputation mainly due to how they were used, not because of technical specs. T-72s, in Desert Storm, Syria, and many other conflicts. T-80s in the First Chechen war. India is going to ruin the T-90s. Russian tanks deserve better!

Sardaukar20 said:

That Indian tank commander is going to have to eat his words when he really goes into a war with China.

In mountainous terrain, there are a lot of other things for the T-90s to worry about than just the Type 15s. Tanks, especially heavy tanks have suffered historically in mountainous terrains. The Soviets know that all too well in Afghanistan. ATGMs and short-ranged AT weapons are a massive threat in these areas. Then there also armed drones, laser-guided artillery shells, and the PLAAF. When the PLAAF attains air superiority (which they will), no amount of T-90s is going to give India any hope of victory.

With childish mindset like this, India better not go to war with China. They will give the T-90 tanks a horrible reputation. Russia is not going to enjoy it off course. The T-72s and T-80s have already suffered enough bad reputation mainly due to how they were used, not because of technical specs. T-72s, in Desert Storm, Syria, and many other conflicts. T-80s in the First Chechen war. India is going to ruin the T-90s. Russian tanks deserve better!

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The reason they are boasting is because they know the likelihood of war is very small.

Another Indian writer makes a list of reasons why China can't beat India

Mohsin77 said:

The Type-15 won't be anywhere near the T-90. Its only purpose there is fire support.

What Indians aren't yet understanding, is that their own armor is deployed defensively. But the PLA (like all competent armies) only deploys heavy armor if it is planning to maneuver aggressively. That's why the T-99s are in the back right now, and they will be forward deployed if/when needed. It's much easier for China to flood armor into a region like Depsang Plains quickly, than it would be for India because of simple geography alone, and that's not even counting the much better logistical infrastructure on the Chinese side.

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ZTQs are light tanks, therefore scout tanks. They'll be maneuvering to provide reconnaissance support for the rest of the PLA and they might end up in firefights with T-90s, especially if they can't withdraw in time.

This is why I emphasize the need for a good fire-and-forget top-attack ATGM; if a ZTQ-15 platoon sees T-90s providing targets of opportunity, it can open fire then run. If ZTQ-15s are ambushed by T-90s, they can open fire and deal damage even if they are destroyed.

ZTQ-15s aren't tank destroyers, but they do need the versatility to react to unanticipated events like the sudden appearance of T-90s. They are best off withdrawing, but a firing withdrawal is often safer than just dinging the tanks turret with their puny 105mm shells.

siegecrossbow said:

You meant what they were catcalling?

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Yes, the catcallings and people around that scope guy. What were they saying in Hindi?