Ladakh Flash Point

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Kestrel07

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You have a lil bit of problem in comprehension.
I don't think China is claiming sovereignty based on bygone era, but using it's present force. Like US did in Iraq, Syria, Libya. Might is right.

Another thing, Chandragupta empire was never "indian" empire. Because current indian land had half a century kingdoms that went against each other. Even by yur standard, the "indian" theory is failed one.By your logic though , It's india entirely that should be given to Iran based on Persian empire theory. And native america should be given to native people. Don't you think?


Great to know that it's sunny. I wouldn't want to miss the Aussies hammering poms in upcoming series due to rain.
No comphrension
Even if its true that an Indian SFF trooper really did died from a landmine, I don't really care. I have zero sympathies for foreign combatants who come into Chinese territory for no good purposes.

India has no historic claim over Aksai Chin. Aksai Chin belonged to China long before the British Raj appeared. The Johnson Line that India used to justify their claim is fabricated by the vile imperialist British. The British Raj is no more, so India should stop dreaming of taking lands belonging to foreign countries based on fictitious claims.

All of this Ladakh clash started when India abrogated Article 370. Then the dumb bald headed clown Amit Shah proudly boasted that India would take Aksai Chin. Early this year, India started ramping up the construction of military infrastructure around Ladakh, coming dangerously close to Aksai Chin. China saw the game that the BJP India sneakily is trying to pull off, and acted quickly and decisively.

That action, in your mind is the so called "occupation" of disputed territory. I call it as putting a line on the ground to remind the retarded BJP leaders of India on where Chinese territory is, and to put a stop to their monkey business.
Now let's go by your statement , Aksai chin belongs to china .
Even if its true that an Indian SFF trooper really did died from a landmine, I don't really care. I have zero sympathies for foreign combatants who come into Chinese territory for no good purposes.

India has no historic claim over Aksai Chin. Aksai Chin belonged to China long before the British Raj appeared. The Johnson Line that India used to justify their claim is fabricated by the vile imperialist British. The British Raj is no more, so India should stop dreaming of taking lands belonging to foreign countries based on fictitious claims.

All of this Ladakh clash started when India abrogated Article 370. Then the dumb bald headed clown Amit Shah proudly boasted that India would take Aksai Chin. Early this year, India started ramping up the construction of military infrastructure around Ladakh, coming dangerously close to Aksai Chin. China saw the game that the BJP India sneakily is trying to pull off, and acted quickly and decisively.

That action, in your mind is the so called "occupation" of disputed territory. I call it as putting a line on the ground to remind the retarded BJP leaders of India on where Chinese territory is, and to put a stop to their monkey business.
I don't know what is more embarrassing for them. Friendly fire or IFV falling onto a soldier when unloading. The level of incompetence for the latter is arguably greater than accidental friendly fire when the situation is tense. Landmine is a strange excuse from Indian MEA/gov. Who placed landmines there? The borders were very fluid and either side may go on the offensive. Sure they can avoid certain areas but both sides position troops in known areas and move around enough to make placing landmines very irresponsible and planting them, very obvious.

Imagine if these alleged landmines belong to PLA and were placed by PLA. Why would India not say a peep? This is irresponsible on PLA's part and certainly something the Indian can and should complain about. It gives them sympathy points and they get to have another whinge about China again. Therefore it is not true because they would be making a huuuuuuge fuss if it were.

So is it their own mine? Well if so, then that takes the cake for embarrassing. They wouldn't choose to admit this either. I think these morons are just tripping over themselves making up their fiction and haven't thought clearly what is more embarrassing for them and what has more PR and propaganda value. Morons. Absolute shit for brains in command of both their military and their PR offices. Like it wasn't abundantly clear enough already. Truly the smartest Indians have left long ago and the ones remain want nothing to do with the incompetence of the current leadership and military.

Two minutes of thinking about their lies and it all begins to become a comedy. I wonder how the bhakts will spin this story and give their excuses. So far they are not acknowledging these facts (confirmed by Indian gov, Indian military, and Tibetan separatist/exile advocate groups). They are pretending this doesn't exist. Shameless Jai Hind bhakts.
However in India case you get to know about it and gloat. Do you have the same freedom for pla ? It is all hunky dory and no casualties. Two professional army fight and only casualties are on one side .
I don't know what is more embarrassing for them. Friendly fire or IFV falling onto a soldier when unloading. The level of incompetence for the latter is arguably greater than accidental friendly fire when the situation is tense. Landmine is a strange excuse from Indian MEA/gov. Who placed landmines there? The borders were very fluid and either side may go on the offensive. Sure they can avoid certain areas but both sides position troops in known areas and move around enough to make placing landmines very irresponsible and planting them, very obvious.

Imagine if these alleged landmines belong to PLA and were placed by PLA. Why would India not say a peep? This is irresponsible on PLA's part and certainly something the Indian can and should complain about. It gives them sympathy points and they get to have another whinge about China again. Just like they did with their fake photo of steel reo bars tied with two pieces of wire lol! The PLA are given proper melee equipment FYI. Therefore it is not true because they would be making a huuuuuuge fuss if it were.

So is it their own mine? Well if so, then that takes the cake for embarrassing. They wouldn't choose to admit this either. I think these morons are just tripping over themselves making up their fiction and haven't thought clearly what is more embarrassing for them and what has more PR and propaganda value. Morons. Absolute shit for brains in command of both their military and their PR offices. Like it wasn't abundantly clear enough already. Truly the smartest Indians have left long ago and the ones remain want nothing to do with the incompetence of the current leadership and military.

Two minutes of thinking about their lies and it all begins to become a comedy. I wonder how the bhakts will spin this story and give their excuses. So far they are not acknowledging these facts (confirmed by Indian gov, Indian military, and Tibetan separatist/exile advocate groups). They are pretending this doesn't exist. Shameless Jai Hind bhakts.
Just out of curiosity what is your nationality? I could see some of the posters are indian , Pakistan and from Bangladesh. It would be good to hear perspective from folks from mainland China and what are their views on this fracas.
 

Kestrel07

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Ya, most indians lack that.
The entire post is messed up. Not sure what is meant for whom.
Alas thar is the phone deciding to send the message by itself . Alas one post and you doxedoed
Ya, most indians lack that.
The entire post is messed up. Not sure what is meant for whom.
Yup the post is quite messed up . Trying to type on the phone and finsihing a work call . It's true they say men can't multi task
 

Litebreeze

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The Tibetan groups are either claiming these men were killed in accident like Indian MEA's narrative while a few others are putting the blame onto China.

1. These men either actually died from those accidents as explained officially = embarrassment
2. or they were killed by PLA = denied officially by both India and China (since this recent press briefing)
3. or they were killed by friendly force = unfortunate

They can't be both 1 and 2 which is what is being presented.
.. or falseflag, to make Tibetan angry towards pla.
 

ougoah

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However in India case you get to know about it and gloat. Do you have the same freedom for pla ? It is all hunky dory and no casualties. Two professional army fight and only casualties are on one side .

This is a non argument. In India you get to know about what? and gloat? Yeah these sure sound like great virtues and freedoms. On the topic of casualties. PLA suffered injuries, these count as casualties. Chinese rumours suggest that 2 PLA soldiers eventually succumbed to their injuries. CCP is usually quite tight lipped about casualties so soon after confrontations. Well the PLA hasn't been in a fight for decades but this is certainly the usual pattern from the CCP. Can one say with authority this is a bad thing though? Why do we take it for granted that the government absolutely must tell about all confrontation details immediately after the fact?

Indian government hasn't provided all the details of the confrontations and the few bits of info it has made public are rather strategically valueless. Neither side wants to reveal what they know etc. CCP even if not publicly disclosing x PLA fatalities and y PLA injuries and z PLA soldiers involved, can you honestly say this is out of hiding things? How about it doesn't make any tactical or strategic sense to provide any information outside of the already known and unimportant.

Even if we assume PLA suffered let's say 20 deaths and 50 captured (for sake of argument roughly the same numbers as India). Why should the CCP reveal this? It doesn't advance their agenda and in fact only reveals information however irrelevant to the military objectives.

Now let's think about this topic realistically. We know for a fact (verified by all parties) that India lost at least 20 soldiers (CCP says only 3 were killed by PLA and the rest died from exposure) and India had at least 25 captured. First return was at least 15 men and 10 or 11 senior ranking men were returned about a week after. Again these are the undisputed facts.

Another fact is PLA went from finger 8 to finger 4 and more or less the longitudinal equivalent stretching up to Galwan valley. How is it possible that IA killed any significant numbers of PLA but still managed to get over 2 dozen of their men captured and returned safely. Why will PLA not kill those men on that same night as well if PLA suffered significant fatalities and the PLA already killed at least 3 by their own hands so the precedence has been broken at that point.

Consider also that PLA gained about 1000km^2 of territory which is now more or less admitted to by Indian government and military since they've finally recognised the status quo of old LAC has shifted. What allowed this if IA was on equal footing with PLA? What allowed it if IA killed similar numbers of PLA? India has better supply routes and more troops here. Geographically also in much better terrain and airfields in lower altitudes.

Just out of curiosity what is your nationality? I could see some of the posters are indian , Pakistan and from Bangladesh. It would be good to hear perspective from folks from mainland China and what are their views on this fracas.

I think this direction is fruitless and the equivalent of speculating and comparing speculated death counts. It's not what this conflict is about although it's obviously the most apparent metric to the emotional and dimwitted. Get over your tribalism and think about the content of posts rather than what nationality it belongs to. Attack the evidence and reasoning. And please for the love of truth, refrain from spewing Indian rumour mill BS made up and spread by random bhakts.
 

Kunal Biswas

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" Operation Falcon (1986-87) : Early September 1986-Following the discovery of a PLA camp in Wangdung in the Sumdorong Chu Valley NE of Tawang, a battalion of the Indian Army's 5 Division occupied the heights around called Lungro La and Khypo. Here you see PLA officers & soilder`s were halted & were warned and realised that there was no way up! "

Arjun Subramaniam

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In 2020 similar but in more aggressive way things are going down, black top and helmet top ladakh..
 

Nobino

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Alas thar is the phone deciding to send the message by itself . Alas one post and you doxedoed

Yup the post is quite messed up . Trying to type on the phone and finsihing a work call . It's true they say men can't multi task
Ummm I am not sure what this means. Or what doxedoed means. I can't construct any meaning of the post.
So i am taking the person is busy & mistyped in hurry. So will wait until it's corrected.
 
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