Ladakh Flash Point

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jfy1155

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The two dead could be Chinese soldiers. (There's chance. 20 Indians and 2 Chinese.) I don't think it matters much either way. It's not about numbers but long term territorial gain. It's safe to say that China has got the upper hand right now.

Relations with Myanmar, Bangladesh, Nepal and Sri Lanka needs to be further enhanced through other means (not just low interest debts).
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Except for Vietnam, Thailand, Combodia and Laos are in really good terms with China. That is good. What's better would be the construction of Kra Canal in Thailand to finally seal the Malacca issue. China can do it by giving full operational responsibility and ownership to Thailand while the security of the passage is taken up by China. This is better than throwing billions to Africa right now.

SCMP (Hong Kong News media) reported 1 PLA death in their recent article about the Galwan clash. SCMP is more trusted and respected than any Indian news media in the world.
 

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Well, China will need a lot of long-range standoff weapons then. The ones deployed by H-6 and JH-7 only have ranges of around 180km, which would be well within India's early warning radar zones.

What I'm told is that there's an airlaunched version of CJ-10; supposedly the CJ-20.

In terms of holding off Indian capabilities, there's no technological limitation on the Chinese side; i.e, the most you could claim is that the Chinese need a nice current-generation 100mm top-attack ATGM for the ZTQ-15s (point of 100mm is so that it'd also fit into Type-59s and other obsolescent reserve tanks). The J-10 could also be upgraded further to give it a clear superiority over the Rafale in matching the emergency 11G capability, but the J-20 can handle the Rafale as much as any other 5th gen could handle a 4.5++ gen aircraft.

The bigger limitation for the PLA is deployed capabilities on the Tibetan plateau; for instance, the same DF-16s pointed at Taiwan, were they massed on the Indian border, could put every single Indian airbase under threat and threaten Indian cities without resorting to nuclear weapons. To the best of our knowledge, there aren't DF-26s loaded up on TAR to snipe Indian ships the moment they're in deep water and unsalvageable. And of course, PLAAF airbase infrastructure in Tibet is serviceable (lots of civilian airports), but generally shoddy (needs dedicated stealth hangars for J-20s and munitions and fuel stockpiles).

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The Indians, properly speaking, are an annoyance, not a threat. Unless China is distracted with a Taiwan scenario (and one possibility for Ladakh is to prevent the Indians from interfering in a Taiwan scenario with a flank attack), there's nothing the Indians can really do to China. The Himalayas make land invasion to either side of the border onerous and the fact that the Chinese command the strategic high ground means that they can lob ballistic missiles at India from relatively protected positions.

I think the Chinese goal with India is to get them into a state where India can't provide a threat to a Chinese attempt on Taiwan, because they're diplomatically contained (neutral or allied), or because their military capability has been neutralized.
 

Sardaukar20

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That is simply not credible.

In that scenario, China would end up conducting joint military operations to reopen the Malacca Straits along with Singapore, Malaysia and Indonesia.

These are coastal countries that are critically dependent on the Malacca Straits sea lanes remaining open, so they would work with China to neutralise the Indian forces based on the Andaman and Nicobar Islands.

The Nicobar Islands are only 200km from Indonesia or 700km from Malaysia.

And that is leaving aside the reaction from the rest of the world's navies.
That's a good point. I do hope that I am wrong. That the Indian leadership are not stupid enough (or mad enough) to attempt this. But then again, the BJP govt can be quite crazy.

Coming from a SEA country, I am not sure how many countries here who would join China to reopen the Malacca Straits. Most people here do not have much stomach for war if any. Also, siding with China in a conflict is generally not viewed here as 'politically correct'. But maybe economic desperation will force their hands. Singapore, Indonesia and Thailand are more likely to join the Chinese to reopen the Malacca Straits as they have the most to lose and they have the navies to do something. Malaysia would be just too cowardly and incompetent to do anything.

Such a joint operation, if it happens would be a dream come true for China. It would decisively confirm that there is some semblance of solidarity with China by some countries in ASEAN. And put an end to Indian delusions of hegemony in Asia.
 

Sardaukar20

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China's taken the lives of their soldiers and their rubbish claims. Foul language is all they have left. We should just return their hatred and it's finally happening. I see increasing hostility from ordinary Chinese towards Indians. Better late than never.
I hope the Chinese govt takes some serious action on the Indians. Since the while Ladakh thing, BJP India have launched an economic and information war on China. While many of it is self damaging to India, China should turn the screws even more. China punished Australia swiftly for joining the US to pin the COVID-19 blame on them. India is already doing the same and so much more, why should they be exempted? I think India should at least be sanctioned and hit with tariffs.

China could also ban what little popular Indian tech businesses operating in China such as OYO. Not quite tit-for tat, but at least some punishment for foreign policy recklessness.

India boasts about Iphone 11 production moving to India. China should increase the price of intermediate components exported to India to match alternatives in South Korea or Taiwan. That way India cannot produce these items cheap enough to be competitive.

India can be bullied on the economic front because they just lack the competence and foresight to be truly compete. Its morally not wrong for China to do it, because India started this game.
 

Biscuits

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I'll also point out if we're talking Malacca, DF-26s in Tibet can reach InN ships trying to blockade the Straits of Malacca.

This is why any attempted blockade makes no sense.

Any force stationed there, even USN let alone IN will just get continously attacked by long range anti ship missile and stealthy SSKs. So they might board and take over some trade ships headed towards China, big deal when China can just run extra wartime supplies through Russia. And in return they occasionally lose a DDG here and there, a CVN sometimes to ASBM...

Its a very bad trade, these ships restricted to a small predictable strait are like fish in a barrel. It costs China very little to try again and again with long range missiles and sub attacks.

The only way for IN or USN to win against China would be to go close to the mainland and defeat the PLAN in decisive battle. USN obviously has a chance of being able to do it using considerable numerical superiority, whereas IN has no chance at all, being numerically inferior and generations behind in technology.
 
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