I can't say I'm immune, the claims these nationalist Indian trolls are making online are just too ludicrous to not want to correct but I question if I really wanna just let them live in a fantasy world that is self destructive. It's interesting though to see what they think are insults and how they view themselves. Apparently they think they are all 7 foot body builders, since I hear a lot of insults about Chinese being short or small(3 foot apparently) and of course China copying everything. The thing that bothers me is that anti-China hate is so accepted that people start believing these people.
Ladakh Flash Point
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Unless and until they can translate that hatred to something tangible, they'll remain worthless - they'd need to prosper first.
Blocking Malacca requires the permission of Indonesia to be lawful. As long as Indonesia isn't part of it, it becomes a violation of all treaties. Malacca straits is Indonesia's.
Also, China can help build the Kra Canal in Thailand and dangle it as a stick to convince Indonesia to remain neutral.
It'd be nice to know the progress made (if any) in the Kra Canal plans.
Personally I hope the 2 countries actually come to an understanding, and that the bs you see online doesn't escalate reality further, but idk, it's just hopes. From what I can see this is just divide and conquer by the US, old colonial tactic of pretending to treat one group better than the other to get their trust and get them to fight another group, only to eventually turn on this group once the other is destroyed because they never had any intention of letting the group they helped out succeed anyway. India has to see that the US has no actual intention of India also being in a similar position to China right now. US is not really India's ally and I wouldn't be surprised if the US tries to make India a battlefield for a proxy war, because compared to other nations in the supposed quad, they kinda stick out, sharing a border with China, massive land, low importance to US economy, and get to play sympathy heartstrings when China retaliates and collateral damage is poor areas and people.
If not. I think economically hitting India will be the most painful blow considering their current situation. Attacking India's image can also help. China can play good guy offering medical assistance for covid, putting India into a position where them refusing aid makes them look petty and willing to sacrifice their people for pride, or accept that aid and admit they still need China. China can also drop whatever footage they are withholding of the ladakh encounters if it's particularly damning and shut down this idea of India being mighty lions real quick.
The type of nationalism I'm talking about is more coping than it is a call to action. It's more like saying India is fine, rather than, India has problems, let's fix them. When most claims are about how an average Indian can beat 5 Chinese, or bs like that, it's never going to translate to improvement. Only thing it translates to is accepting aggression, mostly on a personal level, so if you're Chinese or East/SE Asian descent, you might meet one of these people who bought wholesale into this and feel like they can slap you across the face in broad daylight, be ready.
Indian insults and anti-China hate is nothing new. In the past, these are just that: insults. Now, it is not so clear anymore. These anti-China hate is beginning to be morph into some ugly actions such as:
Boycott on Chinese businesses
Barring of cultural exchanges
Support of Baluchistan terrorists to mess up CPEC
Hotel owners in New Delhi denying service to Chinese citizens
Anti-China films by Bollywood
Naval war games with the USN
All these are hallmarks of fascism. At some point, this evil needs to be dealt with, lest it spirals out of control.
China and India killing each other and wrecking their futures is the American wet dream. No more threats of Asian rising powers. The way China is acting with regards to India is exactly trying not to fall into this US trap. India continues to provoke and escalate, while China always tries to talk India out of it to no avail. India says that the Galwan incident is Chinese provocation. But who really started this whole mess? Its India with their abrogation of Article 370 and subsequent aggressive rhetoric and moves against Aksai Chin. India is too stupid to see this old American trick of divide and conquer, so it is a lost cause trying to reason with them. China has no choice, but to manage this new reality.
India does indeed have a massive trade deficit with China. Just like USA with China. On the surface, India can 'punish' China more than China can punish them. Not so simple. Most of India's imports from China are not luxuries, but necessities. These imports are much needed to for both consumers and industries. Switching imports away from China will drive up consumer and procurement costs.
A good example is the much touted Indian pharmaceutical industry that relies on the import of cheap Chinese drug ingredients to make Indian drugs price competitive. Cancelling China out is not going to help at all. First, procuring from other sources is just going to drive the prices up due to lack of the economies of scale that China can provide. Second, China could easily divert these ingredients to grow their local pharma industries and out-compete India's pharma industry. This will slowly kill off one of India's most crucial export industries.
Why do people get so fixated with trade deficit = more leverage. Just like Trump thought that too.
It isn't a zero sum game! It all depends on the dependence factor. Does China depends more on India as a market than India depends on China as a supplier. That should be the question to see who's the likely winners on this. As Trump found out, it's a lot difficult to win the "easy trade war". Due to the fact the USA relies on china as for the supply chain in order for their manufacture to be competitive. Also, for their populace to have more disposable income after purchasing their made in China goods. Without which, they would be worse off, and in a democracy, that's the worse outcome for political party is to make your electorate worse off!
I think India is fully aware of US intentions and plans for itself. India still hasn't sold itself entirely to US&Co because -
1. India's energy security is much more woeful than China's. Having Iran supply oil at favorable rates is important to India. Otherwise the economy could struggle with uncontrolled inflation.
2. India hasn't agreed to base US and allies in its soil. There exists a lot of places for US to pitch its tent (Andaman, East India (South Tibet), West India (to counter a potentially anti US Pak,Afghan) etc.
3. Global Powers don't allow other powers to base on its soil. India wants to be a Global Power.
But on the other hand, there is growing support for jumping ships entirely to US. Because
1. US and Allies can help India grow economically and technologically.
2. India can "use" the Red China scare to get from US similar to what China got from US and Allies during Sino-Soviet split.
(China got access to many technologies from Europe and US when the relations warmed during the Sino Soviet Split - as most of us know).
But ultimately, I think India would make the jump to US side within years. This is because, behind all the boasting, India knows that it is ready to go burst. Massive unemployment and lack of proper nutrition and education of its huge youth population is a threat to its "Demographic Divident driven prosperity" promises. Time is running out for that Demographic Divident. I give a decade or so for India to complete the transition from a non aligned country to a full fledged ally of US.
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