Ladakh Flash Point

ougoah said:

This is hilarious. I didn't notice this video when I watched and posted the other Chinese helmet test video which was trolled by hordes of Ganges bathing Jai Hinds.

This video shows the Indian helmet failing to stop the Magnum round which the Chinese, Russia, and American helmets could stop!

So basically Chinese helmet stops 50 cal magnum from desert eagle, designed to punch through engine blocks for the Israeli defence force. Indian helmet fails at this test

Watch how the Indians make nonsensical excuses that don't hold up. Apparently this video got banned in India according to the youtube channel and its makers. Look at how lowly rated this vid is as well compared to the Chinese and Russian/American test. The Indians are a lowly, lying, sensitive bunch who go around slandering others. FYI the Chinese helmet passed every round up to the large bore with the dedicated armour piercing round, something the Russian and American helmets also failed before reaching that round. Despite this, Indians comment like the Chinese helmet failed at the 9mm. Irony is their's failed where the Chinese passed so the butthurt jai hinds couldn't cope.

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To be fair YouTube is blocked in China and if it weren’t, we’d see a lot of downvotes on the Chinese ones too.I’ve seen my fair share of idiotic behaviors on Chinese forums.

Nobonita Barua said:

Funny thing is, the video is blocked even in here. I can't see it without VPN.

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Indian analyst claims Chinese army is 30 years behind western military.

jfy1155 said:

Indian analyst claims Chinese army is 30 years behind western military.

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That's what they were claiming 30 years ago, but so much has changed that the Russian analysts position is far more accurate than anything the Indian pundits ever put out.

I finally figured out what's actually going on in India regarding the Ladakh dispute, and Modi's apparent reluctance to pick a fight.

All of the policy elites in India know they'll lose. It doesn't matter if Rafale can turn out J-20s or Indian Jawans have better mountain-warfare skills than the PLA, India is economically deprived relative to China, and if the Chinese choose to make this a fight, they can just deploy more troops etc and J-20s to the fight, turning Ladakh into a combination grinder / training ground for a PLA that's out of practice. And that's in the most favorable Indian situation; in less favorable Indian scenarios, the Indians just get wrecked wholesale.

But here's the thing. Traditional Indian nationalism has a strong aggressive and military basis. It believes it can beat any opponent, and their experience screwing with the Pakistanis in both Kashmir and Bangladesh shows it. The idea that they have to stand down to the Chinese is horrifying for them, and they'd rather not tell their electorate "whoops, we lost a couple of thousand or tens of thousands of men to the Chinese".

But the most nationalistic party in India isn't Congress, it's the BJP. If Congress pushes the BJP to fight in Ladakh, the BJP is very hard pressed to say "no, we won't do it, because we'll likely lose [insert more plausible excuse here]". Congress therefore stirs up the drums of war because if a BJP-led Indian government fights over Ladakh and loses, it becomes a strong electoral lever for Congress to seize control of the Indian Centre from the BJP.

So that's why we're seeing pan-spectrum BS from the Indian media. Congress wants to get the BJP into a fight to embarrass them, and the BJP has to beat the war drums to satisfy their nationalist base. It doesn't matter whether the Indian army wins or loses, this is just necessary politics in India.

Key factor is that the PLA can't throw the first (major) punch without getting China into a bunch of sanctions. The InA, can potentially throw the first punch, but their political masters and the head honchos know the risk.

For China to actually do what Congress wants (saddle Modi with a war loss), China would need to first, lose all of its territory on the disputed LAC, THEN do a counterpush, because it's much harder to construe as Chinese aggression in that case.

Congress' best scenario, ideally, would be for the PLA to get blamed for starting things, then denounced for continuing things. Even if (and most likely, it's when, not if) they lose, they can blame Modi for everything.

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TBH, after having dealt with Indian nationalists and the Indian bleating, I am far less tolerant of Modi and willing to take a chance with Congress at this point. The main question is how to bomb India into a new government without getting sanctioned.

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Key factor is that the PLA can't throw the first (major) punch without getting China into a bunch of sanctions. The InA, can potentially throw the first punch, but their political masters and the head honchos know the risk.

For China to actually do what Congress wants (saddle Modi with a war loss), China would need to first, lose all of its territory on the disputed LAC, THEN do a counterpush, because it's much harder to construe as Chinese aggression in that case.

Congress' best scenario, ideally, would be for the PLA to get blamed for starting things, then denounced for continuing things. Even if (and most likely, it's when, not if) they lose, they can blame Modi for everything.

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TBH, after having dealt with Indian nationalists and the Indian bleating, I am far less tolerant of Modi and willing to take a chance with Congress at this point. The main question is how to bomb India into a new government without getting sanctioned.

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China is obviously a nation more concerned about boycotts than it would be about sanctions I think this doesn't require hand holding. BTW if you haven't realised, sanctions have already been happening for the last year or two. Sanctions of IC equipment hurts the most and it's already been played. China's already almost recovered from these US sanctions. Boycotts won't work well unless the participants want to shoot themselves in the foot too but Huawei boycott is more or less a thing when it comes to telecom equipment and tech. In general though, no one has diversified and moved from China or created alternatives on any real scale. It's not for fear of economic retaliation because that card's been played. It can intensify but it looks to be intensifying anyway even if China were to donate the entire Tibet to India or grant it independence from PRC, the US waged asymmetric war on China will continue and intensify. Are you so deluded to still believe this whole thing is about political ideology while it's truly just the Western powers trying to remove competition and a challenger to their global hegemony? How brainwashed a liberal must be to still think that way.

China is/has just taken the chunk/s of no man's land that it's claimed since 1950s (what it's always considered to be the borders and only about half of what India has always claimed). India just pokes and slices but as soon as you hit back, these wankers go on the loudest whinge fest while they misrepresent every aspect of what happened in the past and what's happening now. The worst freaking liars on this planet. In fact the Malay word for Indians is synonymous with the word "liar" for good reason.

India has been slowly salami slicing building up to 1962 war and restarted salami slicing again around 2013. 2017 to 2019 showed the CCP the Indians are more serious and have unchecked arrogance in their "forward policy 2.0". Now that the CCP response has been given and Indian arrogance and daring checked, the matter is settled. The rest is Indian noise making and posturing through its media and ex-military and politicians. China has stopped paying any attention to this outside of showing videos of military exercises held here. These are constant showings to the Indian leadership that China can afford to use up more ammunition that India owns in just a few exercises and still have plenty enough to reduce India's military population to zero while holding back any adventurous Americans.

Messages sent and received. India promptly surrendered and continues to uphold China's claims. It appears India is either waiting for the US to fight first or it is just doing domestic damage control using their Hindutva thought police and chauvinist mob mentalities. If they're preparing for war with China, they'll need to build a real economy and industry first.

Check out this scathing article with an almost academic background into the Brooks Henderson report which the cowardly lying Indian government continues to hide and refuse to disclose to this day. Can you blame China for aligning for Pakistan after being constantly attacked and antagonised by India throughout the 20th century? Screw these losers. It's the 40kg bully that gets a beatdown and then a hug after but continues to be bitter and wallow in its own malevolence. Never has there been such a pathetic enemy in China's history. The CCP is honestly wayyyyy too soft. I'd have killed my way into New Delhi by now and forcefully built up a puppet government. That's the American/ European way and if the CCP could find some old Mongol attitudes on war and confrontation, China wouldn't always constantly be the target of the guys in front and the ones behind. Make an example of these worthless Jai Hinds and show the enemies in front what awaits them if they do not stop with the constant antagonism but the CCP are filled with better people than me.

I really don't want to deal with Chinese nationalism either (i.e, China is always right, China does no wrong), etc. The bigger issue for me is the prospect of major losses on the border bringing the entire Indian nationalist symbolic edifice down. That's what I want; i.e, the Indians to go wail to their mothers and face reality.

Did you know that in Buddhism, "Maya" refers to deceit or delusion, but in Hinduism, "Maya" refers to wealth, treasure, or is otherwise associated with Lakshmi, the Hindu goddess of wealth?

The problem with the Indians vs the Chinese is that the Indians have a habit of being crazy; i.e, they'd be willing to pick fights they can't win. The Chinese, on the other hand, favor deterrence and setting up scenarios where they don't have to fight. So you're dealing with the Indians promising to bash their heads into you endlessly, and while not fatal, it can get expensive and annoying.

I honestly hate where this is going, it is in neither’s interests to escalate this further, for India, fighting a war where it has a low chance of it coming on top, for China, pushing India further into US’ orbit.

China should remember where the real rival instead escalation over no-mans land.