Rafale purchase by India was a result of Indian corrupt government and nothing more. India may have bought Mirages in the past but they've also bought Su-30s, Su-30MKIs, and Mig-29s of many types after Mirage purchases. It's not like India can only choose French and Russian, they do have the American and European (UK and Eurofighter) options open even if politics may complicate things more than dealing with the French and Russians.
Over 200 Million USD for each Rafale even if it includes weapons, parts, and some custom Indian equipment, is still outrageous price to pay. F-35 partners are receiving F-35s for about half this price for package deals that include all support too. How many millions are going into the pockets of each Indian political and industrial figure behind this? It's a great thing for China that the IAF has decided to spend billions on 36 Rafales which they will not be able to ever upgrade or build entirely themselves. In 20 years time, they'll need to spend billions with France just to upgrade them if they're not already all gone if IAF ever properly go to war.
Egypt has decided to buy Su-35 over more Rafales. Belgium rejected it even after France and Dassault offered Belgium a deal better than what they offered the Indians in terms of economic returns. Qatar, South Korea, Morroco, Brazil, and Singapore all tested the Rafale and rejected it, preferring something else. India itself cut orders from 126 to 36, it isn't building the fighter domestically and it isn't receiving any serious technology. Absolute lunacy to think 36 Rafales would represent a genuine threat in 5 or 10 years time when all are fully trained and combat ready.
Instead of thinking, Indians are only saying rubbish like why would China buy Su-35 when it has J-20. Lol. China received Su-35s before J-20 barely went into LRIP. No tactics and training were done with J-20s and the multitude of reasons why PLAAF bought a small number of Su-35s were explained. To debunk this Indian lie about Su-35 being better than J-20, why does PLAAF not buy any more Su-35 now? Since it's clearly better than J-20, why then is PLAAF busy ordering and CAC busy building J-20 as fast as they can while Su-35 orders have not happened for many, many years. Remember the Su-35 order was done more than half a decade ago now and they were only working out the specifics and numbers for years.
The US would buy some small batches of Su-35 if it were available to them as well. It offers a lot more than the simplistic view that any and all purchases must become top of the line, backbone service units in the purchaser's inventory. What a bunch of clowns these Indians are. The US would also buy S-400 if they could. They did buy some Kh-31 in the past, does that mean it is superior to everything in US? Did they copy it for frontline units? No they copied the Kh-31 as a target missile for shooting practice knowing that many opponents have similar weapons. The Su-35 simulates Su-30MKI and flies better than the MKI. It also offers PLAAF and industries a lot of insight into Russian fighters and equipment. The engines are also pretty good but you cannot reverse engineer engine materials. Only the TVC performance and design were of value to Chinese engineers and PLAAF. Even then, the engineers only compared Russian TVC with their own that was publicly flown on J-10B, probably tested years before already. The Su-35's TVC can be compared to the Chinese one on the WS-10 and these lessons used to design the WS-15's probably.
Anyway to sum things up Rafale would be lucky to make any difference against a combo of J-10C and J-16 networked with the rest of PLAAF. It'll take IAF months and months to integrate the Rafale with the rest of IAF in tactics, datalinking, and operational training. At most PLAAF may counter the tiny number of Rafales with a few J-10Cs and J-16s.
Over 200 Million USD for each Rafale even if it includes weapons, parts, and some custom Indian equipment, is still outrageous price to pay. F-35 partners are receiving F-35s for about half this price for package deals that include all support too. How many millions are going into the pockets of each Indian political and industrial figure behind this? It's a great thing for China that the IAF has decided to spend billions on 36 Rafales which they will not be able to ever upgrade or build entirely themselves. In 20 years time, they'll need to spend billions with France just to upgrade them if they're not already all gone if IAF ever properly go to war.
Egypt has decided to buy Su-35 over more Rafales. Belgium rejected it even after France and Dassault offered Belgium a deal better than what they offered the Indians in terms of economic returns. Qatar, South Korea, Morroco, Brazil, and Singapore all tested the Rafale and rejected it, preferring something else. India itself cut orders from 126 to 36, it isn't building the fighter domestically and it isn't receiving any serious technology. Absolute lunacy to think 36 Rafales would represent a genuine threat in 5 or 10 years time when all are fully trained and combat ready.
Instead of thinking, Indians are only saying rubbish like why would China buy Su-35 when it has J-20. Lol. China received Su-35s before J-20 barely went into LRIP. No tactics and training were done with J-20s and the multitude of reasons why PLAAF bought a small number of Su-35s were explained. To debunk this Indian lie about Su-35 being better than J-20, why does PLAAF not buy any more Su-35 now? Since it's clearly better than J-20, why then is PLAAF busy ordering and CAC busy building J-20 as fast as they can while Su-35 orders have not happened for many, many years. Remember the Su-35 order was done more than half a decade ago now and they were only working out the specifics and numbers for years.
The US would buy some small batches of Su-35 if it were available to them as well. It offers a lot more than the simplistic view that any and all purchases must become top of the line, backbone service units in the purchaser's inventory. What a bunch of clowns these Indians are. The US would also buy S-400 if they could. They did buy some Kh-31 in the past, does that mean it is superior to everything in US? Did they copy it for frontline units? No they copied the Kh-31 as a target missile for shooting practice knowing that many opponents have similar weapons. The Su-35 simulates Su-30MKI and flies better than the MKI. It also offers PLAAF and industries a lot of insight into Russian fighters and equipment. The engines are also pretty good but you cannot reverse engineer engine materials. Only the TVC performance and design were of value to Chinese engineers and PLAAF. Even then, the engineers only compared Russian TVC with their own that was publicly flown on J-10B, probably tested years before already. The Su-35's TVC can be compared to the Chinese one on the WS-10 and these lessons used to design the WS-15's probably.
Anyway to sum things up Rafale would be lucky to make any difference against a combo of J-10C and J-16 networked with the rest of PLAAF. It'll take IAF months and months to integrate the Rafale with the rest of IAF in tactics, datalinking, and operational training. At most PLAAF may counter the tiny number of Rafales with a few J-10Cs and J-16s.
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