Ladakh Flash Point

twineedle · Mar 24, 2021

Xsizor said:
Did you even pass school?
You are the one here shifting goalposts.
Won't take any of that.

Detresfa might simply be drawing lines from China's LAC (intended).
Google might be depicting China's LAC.
And the 6 km would be from this LAC.

Those are some big allegations. Got any evidence to support them? I have already said the patrol points are west of the dot marked on Kongka La. And points 20 and up are in pangong, an entirely different sector. And detresfa is pretty clear that the line he posted was the Indian claim line, which China disputes in Hot Springs.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1265280742952587267

Since you want maps, here is a good one. According to detresfa and Abhijit Iyer, the red line is the Indian claim line, they yellow is the China line(both India and China have a camp in the yellow circle, east of India's historic patrolling limits.

twineedle · Mar 24, 2021

ougoah said:
90% of the Jai Hind troll guys or the Jai Hind crowd (the serious ones that can actually be reasoned with and do talk reason albeit with A LOT of lying and twisting things and obfuscating meaning and points) have all disappeared from this thread and similar ones because it is clear as day that China won in the past and India can't get the stuff they want from that era. The new era disputes (20% remaining one) is at best for them going to be out of their reach and made into a buffer.

The main thing is India is unable to go to war and India's military knows this and now their politicians know this. Despite PLA occupying the entirety of the pangong side of the 20% which they desperately want at least if they can't get Aksai Chin. Now there is still stand off at Demchok, Gogra HS at least. They still won't shoot and will talk. China wants them to leave 20%, India refuses... hence from Feb's "we will tell everyone what's happening in two days" to now, India is silent because they thought China would disengage but China wants India to leave 20% if China has to disengage. Even with huge numeric and proximity of main forces advantage, a war is too risky for them. It's also not worth it for the 20% remaining.

Hence now you guys are discussing microbes on the leaf of the tree that is a part of the forest lol

Yes, China won in 1962 and has had an advantage in the western sector ever since. When did I dispute that?

ougoah · Mar 24, 2021

Alright boys back to observing the leaf huh. @Xsizor why don't you just leave it? He's aim is to pollute the thread with the meaningless little stuff that aren't actually even clear. In this lack of clarity, he forms and promotes his narrative. My posts deal with the big picture and while I make mention of the smaller details, they are recognised by officials and no info given.

twineedle · Mar 24, 2021

ougoah said:
Alright boys back to observing the leaf huh. @Xsizor why don't you just leave it? He's aim is to pollute the thread with the meaningless little stuff that aren't actually even clear. In this lack of clarity, he forms and promotes his narrative. My posts deal with the big picture and while I make mention of the smaller details, they are recognised by officials and no info given.

He is the one who is making claims without evidence. I think the situation in Gogra and Hot Springs should be very clear based on the available satellite imagery.

ougoah · Mar 24, 2021

twineedle said:
Yes, China won in 1962 and has had an advantage in the western sector ever since. When did I dispute that?

Check the rest of that post. You missed the point. It wasn't to say that China won 1962 and has 80% of the total dispute.

My other posts reiterate the point/s and make them clearer.

All this struggle is explained in historic context and motivations context. The events are clear now and both sides understand what happened and what's happening. Minus the exact things that happened on June fight.

India understandably wants the 20% and China understandably doesn't want to relinquish it to a nation so set on antagonising China and working against it.

Negotiations for troops disengagement and what to do with the 20% remaining is likely stuck between India asking for the northern stretch (so not the Pangong one which is converted to buffer) and for PLA to vacate it while China wants it as a buffer and in exchange for PLA disengaging, Indian troops need to leave it as well, just like with Pangong.

Xizor · Mar 24, 2021

twineedle said:
Those are some big allegations. Got any evidence to support them? I have already said the patrol points are west of the dot marked on Kongka La. And points 20 and up are in pangong, an entirely different sector. And detresfa is pretty clear that the line he posted was the Indian claim line, which China disputes in Hot Springs.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1265280742952587267
Since you want maps, here is a good one. According to detresfa and Abhijit Iyer, the red line is the Indian claim line, they yellow is the China line(both India and China have a camp in the yellow circle, east of India's historic patrolling limits.

No, detresfa is not at all clear. The tweet of detresfa you linked (for Gogra) says that the Indian camp is 6 km from LAC.

This Hot Springs (PP15)
We ARE on about Gogra Post (What Ajai Shukla depicts as PP17A and beyond).

PiSigma · Mar 24, 2021

ougoah said:
Alright boys back to observing the leaf huh. @Xsizor why don't you just leave it? He's aim is to pollute the thread with the meaningless little stuff that aren't actually even clear. In this lack of clarity, he forms and promotes his narrative. My posts deal with the big picture and while I make mention of the smaller details, they are recognised by officials and no info given.

I heard the PLA occupied new Delhi the other day, but they pulled back because it was too polluted and too covidy. I have absolute unrefutable evidence of a squible I drew on Google maps. Believe me.

You won't see it on satellite or on the street because new Delhi looks the same before and after a invasion (like Detroit).. a run down sh!Thole.

ougoah · Mar 24, 2021

twineedle said:
He is the one who is making claims without evidence. I think the situation in Gogra and Hot Springs should be very clear based on the available satellite imagery.

Okay then you leave it alone. You've posted the d-atis image from mid 2020 like 200 times and reiterated the same points. What you two are discussing are the most minute silly details that aren't even known and based all on dated satellite footage that show some grains. In a wider context, you guys are talking about the tiniest nodule at Gogra HS. It's literally like 0.1% of the entire dispute.

Both can give it a rest. You've made your points. Stop talking about what Shukla said and he said this he didn't say this so that means xyz.

I outlined the big picture and explained everything in as much detail as I can.

twineedle · Mar 24, 2021

ougoah said:
Okay then you leave it alone. You've posted the d-atis image from mid 2020 like 200 times and reiterated the same points. What you two are discussing are the most minute silly details that aren't even known and based all on dated satellite footage that show some grains. In a wider context, you guys are talking about the tiniest nodule at Gogra HS. It's literally like 0.1% of the entire dispute.

Both can give it a rest. You've made your points. Stop talking about what Shukla said and he said this he didn't say this so that means xyz.

I outlined the big picture and explained everything in as much detail as I can.

I actually agree with some of what you said in your "big picture posts" I thought I have made that clear.

Xizor · Mar 24, 2021

twineedle said:
He is the one who is making claims without evidence. I think the situation in Gogra and Hot Springs should be very clear based on the available satellite imagery.

The claims are based on this -

Since you disagree that the above depiction is right and you can't furnish some other map that lists all the patrol points

PP19, PP18, PP20...

We are forced to go on a merry go round here.

Once you resolve that in someway better than saying "Nuh. Uh" we make progress.

Until then, even if I assert buffer zones were created, you would go on about how that is not in Indian LAC.

When seen with this the situation is clearer
February, 2021
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no significant new ground was achieved between the two sides regarding the friction points of Patrolling Point 15 (PP15) in Hot Springs, PP17A in Gogra Post,

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