Obviously, the LAC does favor China. That is becasue China did win 1962. That does not mean there isn't additional strategic territory on the Indian side China doesn't want to take in order to secure Aksai Chin. You yourself said that.
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Which one exactly is that?
So you are saying there is not a buffer zone in Gogra-Hot Springs? That is exactly what I have been saying.
At Gogra HS, China pushed beyond pink dotted line. Possibly also at Depsang but that is definitely not clear. So China pushed Gogra by 1km to 3km beyond pink line. It's still not disengaged.
At Demchok, show me where you are alleging Chinese are pushing in and which side of dotted line?? The dotted lines enclose the dispute. If China is pushing into right of line, they are entering disputed territory which India's in as well.
As for F3 and China's 1959 claim? None of the maps show this. They all show F4.
Which satellite images show Chinese positions beyond the dotted line in gogra? Both sides are nex to to the dotted line in Hot Springs. China does have a camp there, but India also has a camp there further east than pp15, its historical patrol limit. In gogra, China's camp is 6 km away from the lac.
In depsang, the video was filmed in the northern part of the sector, just south of the Indus. As I mentioned India controls west of Demchok and South of the Indus.
As for Depsang, both sides claim about 10 km past the dotted line. In 2013 China reached its claimline(burtse), recently pla has attempted but has been blocked by Indian patrols west of the bottleneck(dotted line)
China is happy to secure buffers where there are no Indians. This secures Aksai Chin. Better yet, they would prefer India release their formal claim on Aksai Chin.
What better place to make the buffer than the last remaining 20% of so of the total dispute. If this becomes the case, China has won 80% of total dispute while the remaining 20% doesn't even go to India and becomes a buffer. This buffer is good enough for China to feel secure about Aksai Chin in case India goes to war to take Aksai Chin. And it would be good until China progresses so far beyond India there would be a close to zero threat. At the moment, India could take all of it with heavy losses on both sides due to numeric and geographic proximity advantages. Hence China always being so nervous about this region and disputes here.
The buffer is also good until a better generation on both sides could work things out in a superior way.
In any case, no matter how it's considered, This is the actual real dispute section. China doesn't really claim beyond the pink dotted line. Please show evidence of exactly what and where and when it made those claims. Praveen Swami's map of Chinese claim and LAC that was given to foreign enemy nations (it stated itself it is given to non-aligned) is always going to give more land to China right? It will never give true intention and bargaining reveal to non aligned nations.
Even that line shows the pink dotted line and not more. If more in some places, by the tiniest margin.
The LAC given in the three maps.
Huh ? no I don't even know what you are saying here. I'm saying at Gogra HS, the blue line and red line of LAC (China's LAC) is almost the same line if not the same.
PLA positions may be west of that now and the details on this remain to be revealed by officials but the US and India both recongise that stand off is ongoing.
Indian government and US government have both officially said that Gogra HS are points of contention where PLA has not disengaged... presumably they mean they have not disengaged from forward positions. Presumably forward or west of blue and red line (China's control and LAC respectively).
I don't know anything beyond that.
It doesn't even matter. The situation is PLA has pushed beyond blue line since this standoff. That's it. This simple. They have pushed beyond because China claims India is conducting increasingly hostile and frequent patrols into this disputed stretch that remains (the 20%) that was no mans land but India wants it. This is udnerstandable since China's already got 80% of the total dispute and west of this remaining stretch of no man's land is India proper. India's lost at every single step since 1950.
The Chinese embassy clearly mentioned "Galwan estuary"
As for Depsang
For Hot Springs, this map shows the disputed areas China claims. This spot east of pp15(India's historic patrolling limit) is where the standoff in Hot Spring is taking place, and it is the area referred to as a problem by both India and the US.
The yellow bulge is where China claims.
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I think the three of us should first off, refrain now from discussing Shukla and his multiple claims made in the past. Give that stuff a rest since it's already occupied 50+ pages in the last few weeks.
Try to all get on the same page in respect to historic movements and claims (already given by maps) and try to only discuss the new developments and what's happening now when updates come.
To do the latter, just understand those maps and it's clear as day.
Try to all get on the same page in respect to historic movements and claims (already given by maps) and try to only discuss the new developments and what's happening now when updates come.
To do the latter, just understand those maps and it's clear as day.
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