Jian's vs F-22/F-35??

A few factories around Shanghai and Hong Kong an Industrial Revolution maketh not. China is only really industrialising now.

By the 1970's Japan had been an Industrial country for nearly 100 years and had been busy absorbing Innovation from around the world. The 70's marked the flowering of this process when innovation and leadership came to the fore.

This is a difficult process to achieve, but it will come to China. But between you and me Miggy, why are we discussing this here and not in another place

Sampanviking and Mig, I can't believe both of you discuss economic issue in the military forum instead of China Economy Today forum. You should be ashame of yourself:roll: .

Actually China industrialized is more than Fifty years, before the Japanese invasion in the 1930-40. There were massive projects and development in Shanghai and east coastal, eventhrough it was not significant compared to others countries. But these were the fundation of modern industrialization of China, I think it would be more fair to say China had around 70+ years into the industry age. Of course China is still many years behind in Western nations and Japan, but I think the gad will be narrow in next 10-20 years.

BTW we are going off topic in hereff :rofl: .

I totally agree.

Come on we can continue over here:

I don't see what the big deal is here. China is behind US tech, it will continue to be behind as long as its investing less money into new tech. One can not just copy something and upgrade it and use it without understanding it. And facts are: the tech gap is closing. chinese R&D funding is rising. Ratio of foreign tech and domestically developed tech is changing in favor of latter. Now, if all those continue, at one point china will come to a point where it will develop as much as its tech domestically as US does today. And that point will also signify parity. When will that be is extremely hard to guess. I've got my guesses, sure, but they're irrelevant to this discussion. I would just like to know why some people here think parity can and will never happen.

Ender Wiggin said:

In the game Battlefield 2 in a J-10 I can take on a F-35 in a dogfight but the ranges of AAA missiles and etc are listen, basically the only ordinances used in the game are A) bombs, and B) heat seeking missiles.

the F-35 seems faster but I can out maneuver the bugger unless he cuts down his engine speed then I end up going right by and miss my WOO.

So I have to ask in first A) long range Anti Aircraft missiles fight can a J-11 take on with reasonable chance of success a F-22/35B? What are the differences/advantages of the two?

AND PLEASE NO FLAMMING!

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It's a video game. Everything is just speculation without proof.

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F-22 is better, hands down. Patriotism has the effect of pulling a wool over your eyes. F-22 is more advanced, original, and is here and now. In about 30 years or so, J-XX will fly and it would match F-22, but, as someone mentioned, if would be a copy of Lockheed's decades of hard work, and it won't be original, not that there is anything wrong with that when national security is on the line. Cheers, I'm from Han Zhong, living abroad for nearly 20 years and now living in Canada.

And patriotism from the other side doesn't lead to hype? And we have seen examples of that since the 1st Gulf War all the way to the Israel/Lebanon conflict last year. Pessimists are as often disappointed as optimists.

AssassinsMace said:

And patriotism from the other side doesn't lead to hype? And we have seen examples of that since the 1st Gulf War all the way to the Israel/Lebanon conflict last year. Pessimists are as often disappointed as optimists.

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Please don't compare conventional armed forces vs armed forces warfare with armed forces vs resistance/partisan forces warfare. They are totally different in nature. US military smashed Iraqi military within two weeks in 2003 and they have difficulty handling insurgent attacks, because insurgents are numerous and they don't fight in the open. Same story with Israeli armed forces vs Hezbollah. If Hezbollah fight with Israli forces in the open, they would be wiped out in no time, so they are using ambush and fighting "in civilian clothes" so they would not be easily targeted. As for J-XX vs F-22, that's a long shot away, considering it took about 30 years to make J-10 fly, and that's with heavy Israeli assistance (yes, a decade ago, I've seen an early model of J-10 on Huitong's site that looks exactly like Lavi). I'm not saying J-XX won't be able to match F-22, I'm just saying it's too early to talk about it now. F-22 is here and now, while J-XX is still a long shot away (and who know what might happen, maybe China will have an internal revolution again in less than a decade). Don't get me wrong, but I've seen patriotism blinding people to the extreme, like how Pakistanis claim they have the world's best pilots because they beat the Indian air force through superb training in 1965 and much less so in 1971 (due to Indian pilots getting more trained by then).